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That specific example is still a little gray, but you're

Posted on: March 1, 2021 at 12:05:57 CT
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getting much closer to being complicit and legally responsible for the actions of the person illegally producing child porn. If it can be proven that your conversation and encouragement led him to produce child porn, then you should be held legally responsible.

If someone kills an enemy of yours and upon learning that it happened you gave him a thank you present, I don't think you should be held liable for that murder. If you gave someone a present, in case they murdered him, and then they went and did it, you should be held liable.

Does that clear up where I draw the line of what I think should or should not be legal?
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hi, i'm pickle. I'm an anarchist, a lover of liberty...AMA! - pickle MU - 3/1 11:00:55
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          nothing. Man is part of the animal kingdom (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:06:05
               this mean animals have what you call natural rights as well? - tigerinhogtown STL - 3/1 12:26:32
                    it does not (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:31:32
     would you vote for a governor who stated and you believed - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:52:46
          Now that is a tough question - pickle MU - 3/1 11:56:54
               why bring up "guaranteed", I didn't say "create" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:01:07
                    because that would be the only reason i’d consider it - pickle MU - 3/1 12:07:43
                         I appreciate the serious responses but - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:12:19
                              high five (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:14:45
     why do you think people lash out at those who try to help - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:29:44
          Question for you. Why do you insist on calling people - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:42:55
               it's literally assault when he does that. Dehumanizing(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:45:58
               who is Dan? I don't think I've been told about this (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:45:12
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                         oooooooooooooo - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:53:35
                    The person you keep calling tim (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:51:39
                         I don't think I've been told about this (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:01:35
                              See above you lying liar (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:06:21
                                   where in that link is somebody telling me his correct name?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:10:07
                                        Try this one - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:21:49
                                             I'm skeptical (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:33:49
                                                  Dodging simple questions by claiming - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:39:23
                                                       I answered your question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:46:13
                                                            No, you answered my question with a question (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:49:51
                                                                 RE: No, you answered my question with a question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:57:12
                                                                      How does that answer the question? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:58:47
                                                                           I'm skeptical of - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 13:56:07
                                             he lies more than the politician from the other party I - dangertim MU - 3/1 12:24:04
                              Are you trying to hurt my feelings? - dangertim MU - 3/1 12:03:03
                                   it's a talent, I don't have to try (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:05:11
               Zapports' name is Gertie(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:45:11
          negative reactions to their own cognitive dissonance(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:35:36
          **** you, that's why(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:34:37
          some people expect to be attacked - pickle MU - 3/1 11:32:03
     how do you define the capital 'c' Church? - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:24:19
          Mostly as Catholic Church as organization - pickle MU - 3/1 11:29:55
               how would you propose such institutions be destroyed?(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:34:46
                    the same as for the State - pickle MU - 3/1 11:38:00
                         gotcha(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:38:21
     great philosophy and outlook, thanks for begin open - - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:21:09
     Do you believe an adult masturbating in front of children - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:16:04
          of all the topics in the entirety of this subject, this is - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:21:54
               Actually, it is very much in the fringe - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 12:27:20
                    it is? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:14:55
                         Yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 14:34:52
                              wow(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/1 14:41:20
                                   Wonderful insight meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 14:53:16
                                        you use the example of an adult having sex with a 12 year - meatiger MU - 3/1 15:55:26
                                             No, your inability to ofer a clear response to an easy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 16:03:48
                                                  because you can only think in the collective - ashtray UF - 3/1 16:07:26
               he must live in DollarSign's neighborhood (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:31:33
               This is just one of the more blatant absurdities of pickle's - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:30:55
                    what are all the others? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:16:05
     What is the best Bush song?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 3/1 11:09:59
     and I fvckin hate capital letters(nm) - eatatjoes MU - 3/1 11:07:10
          So much so that I insist on telling others they need to take - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:48:41
               lazy (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:05:00
                    It seems you and pickle both ignore that 'live and let live' - JeffB MU - 3/1 12:28:27
                         lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:32:26
                              A typical pickle worthless 'response'. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 15:13:04
                         or you just don't understand it - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:29:13
     Watched the Spider-Man movies over the weekend. Far from - TigerMatt - 3/1 11:06:11
     The ring came off my pudding can(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:05:09
          pry it open with the back of your spoon (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:06:52
               Yes, I heard someone laughing about going to someone's - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:20:51
                    in my house growing up - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:23:37
                         Oops. That could be dangerous too. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:31:56
                              dinner knives not cutting knives, but yeah - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:35:16
               I was telling Pickle about it. Mind your own business(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:20:15
     Of course you will refuse to answer the questions that show - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:04:38
          A very poor example to make what otherwise is - GA Tiger MU - 3/1 13:24:07
               How so? You don't think ripping the arms and legs off of an - JeffB MU - 3/1 15:10:43
                    it is not (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 16:05:50
          pickle has never stated a woman has a right to rip the - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:23:19
               He runs & hides when asked to himself, but how would you - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:41:07
          that's your own misunderstanding of self-ownership (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:09:11
               Self ownership give you the right to kill your children? (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:10:55
                    no, this is your misunderstanding of self-ownership (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:20:13
                         Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining for us why mothers - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:22:55
                              self-ownership - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:25:59
                              RE: Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining for us why mothers - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:23:35
          He also believes that child porn is a victimless crime.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:08:30
               No i don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:11:16
                    Do you believe buying, selling or possessing child porn is - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:14:46
                    You have said that possession of child porn is not a crime. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:14:36
                         possession of and creation of are two different - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:24:05
                              So the person possessing it has zero responsibility for its - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:55:12
                                   generally, yes. did you make all the stuff you own? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:17:06
                                   with no other info known, that is correct (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:58:07
                                        I disagree 100%. If you are knowingly in possession of - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:02:42
                                             “with no other info known” (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:08:31
                                             You added another disclaimer of being "knowingly" - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:07:53
                                                  So you are claiming that people who possess child porn never - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:14:09
                                                       How did you get that claim out of my post? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:19:50
                                                            Because you claimed that they came on it after the harm was - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:26:12
                                                                 no. i’m sorry, but this is ignorance (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:35:05
                                                                 What if the person producing it had no idea that there - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:29:00
                                                                      I'm pretty sure when you are creating something to sell - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:33:32
                                                                           Why am I to assume the person creating it is doing so - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:38:12
                                                                                Is it okay to assume that Paramount is producing movies to - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:42:29
                                                                                     The internet is a complicated place. It's not as - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:48:20
                                                                                     🤦🏻‍♂️ (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:46:58
                                                                 that's a lot of assuming (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:27:50
                                                       He didn’t make that claim at all (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:15:49
                                                            If you claim that they do not create a demand that would be - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:18:27
                                   Not necessarily. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:58:01
                              Do you agree with pickle that buying, selling or possessing - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:49:55
                         possession and creation are two different things(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:22:21
                              Without a market for child porn there would be no supply. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:25:01
                                   that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:33:15
                                   I would agree with the body of your post. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:30:39
                                        That is a minor point. Let's assume for the moment that - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:33:55
                                             I don't agree with any of that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:38:19
                                                  You disagree with this statement? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:46:57
                                                       I don't necessarily disagree with that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:48:20
                                                            I too I am only guessing on how people get it. But when I - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:00:56
                                                                 That specific example is still a little gray, but you're - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:05:57
                                                                      Then I think you are much closer to me than Pickle on this - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:17:24
                                                                           I don't believe pickle ever claimed that, nor do - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:25:33
                                                                                I even said so - pickle MU - 3/1 12:26:57
                                                                                     I know. But I try to be very clear and not speak - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:30:13
                                                                                          i know. it’s just baffling at times (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:33:57
                                                                           I think kmaw and Pickle are quite close - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:22:45
                                                                                They are not close at all. Pickle says NO ONE but the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:24:28
                                                                                     Pay attention - pickle MU - 3/1 12:27:31
                                                                                          Are you saying that the purchase of child porn is and should - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:31:14
                                                                                               Is desiring someone to die a crime?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:40:56
                                                                                               I’m saying you don’t pay attention (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:33:18
                                                                                                    answer the question Pickle. Wasn't that your original post - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:43:31
                                                                                                         no, you’re not being honest here - pickle MU - 3/1 12:49:01
                                                                                     Pickle never said that - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:26:29
                                                                                     Do you have a link to pickle saying that? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:26:28
                         possession of child porn is not the same thing as "child - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:15:46
                              So it is okay to pay someone else to molest children for you - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:18:08
                                   nobody said anything was "ok", DH (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:24:37
                                   neither are ok. - pickle MU - 3/1 11:21:25
                                        Was the person buying the child porn in any way responsible - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:23:30
                                             i don’t know. You haven’t provided enough information - pickle MU - 3/1 11:26:32
                                                  Simple economics, if there is no demand for a product then - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:29:41
                                                       See how easy it is to answer questions - pickle MU - 3/1 11:35:53
                                                       That’s incorrect. Demand does not create supply - pickle MU - 3/1 11:30:48
                                                            No. The creation of something does not automatically create - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:36:23
                                                                 Production creates demand, DH. Say’s law - pickle MU - 3/1 11:42:03
                                                                      And Keynes’ Law states that demand creates its own supply - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:04:25
                                                                           There's no "Keynes law" - ummmm MU - 3/1 12:15:55
                                                                                thank you (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:24:29
                                                                                That was a quote directly from Pickle. Not mine at all. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:22:52
                                                                                     Say's law doesn't require anything. - ummmm MU - 3/1 12:40:30
                                                                                     That's not true, unless you're attributing your personal - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:34:47
                                                                                     read posts a little more closely (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:25:09
                                                                           Keynes is a proven crackpot - pickle MU - 3/1 12:09:32
                                                                           Keynesian economics is full of wishful thinking - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:06:14
                                                                 he didn't say automatically (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:38:01
                                                                      Not really that important in this case. He said production - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:44:35
                                                                           I said nothing about automatic or guaranteed - pickle MU - 3/1 11:52:49
                                                                           There is a demand for individual flying cars - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:49:05
                                                                                So producing dog poo ice cream will create a demand? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:54:25
                                                                                     Pickle already explained it very clearly for you above. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:57:20
                                                                                          What does desire and ability mean? I can desire without the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:10:26
                                                                                               If it's a hobby and you enjoy doing it, you may continue to - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:17:23
                                                                                               Then that isn’t demand (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:16:17
                                                                                               if you aren't selling it, you probably will quit producitng - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:12:17
                                                                                                    Right. There has to be desire *and* ability to pay - pickle MU - 3/1 12:19:15
                                                                           he didn't say guarantee (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:46:29
                                                                                He said 'Production creates demand' - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:52:02
                                                                                     you are incorrectly inferring something not implied (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:56:16
                                                                                     Ohmygod (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:53:07
                                                       you must be a big supporter of the war on drugs, then (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:30:35
                                             LOL - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:25:35
                                   This is where you trip all over yourself. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:20:32
                                        Is child porn a crime or not?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:22:24
                                             I believe so, yes (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:24:20
                                                  Just the person creating it or the people buying it as well? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:26:39
                                                       Are you asking what I believe the actual law is today or - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:28:59
                                                            There are obviously currently laws against both and unlike - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:31:24
                                                                 No, I don't think possession should be a crime. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:34:59
                                                                      Is someone who is collecting child porn part of a criminal - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:40:40
                                                                           From my point of view - meatiger MU - 3/1 11:53:23
                                                                           The answer in the subject line is "It depends" - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:46:22
                                                                                Yes - pickle MU - 3/1 11:54:11
                              True. Do you think laws against possession of child porn - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:17:54
                         That’s completely different than what you just said - pickle MU - 3/1 11:15:33
                              So is possession of child porn a crime or not?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:19:50
                                   As disgusting and deplorable as it is, no, it is not - pickle MU - 3/1 11:24:22
                                        Is the filmographer of group rape of a child committing a - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:45:47
                                   does possession = create? - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:23:11
                              So are laws against buying, selling or possessing child porn - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:19:07
     If you were forced to move out of the US - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:03:18
          Ireland - pickle MU - 3/1 11:06:29




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