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No, I don't think possession should be a crime.

Posted on: March 1, 2021 at 11:34:59 CT
kmawv8 MU
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Someone else's actions shouldn't be able to make you a criminal. If someone else put a child pornography picture on your laptop, you're now a criminal? Even if you were completely unaware of it?

I absolutely think the creation of it should be a crime.


And I want to be very clear because you and others have already made this mistake in this thread. What I think should or should not be a crime does not mean I deem that to be ok or not.
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hi, i'm pickle. I'm an anarchist, a lover of liberty...AMA! - pickle MU - 3/1 11:00:55
     ^^^ Would have enjoyed being part of a very - GA Tiger MU - 3/1 13:21:52
     2024 election - Shu MU - 3/1 13:13:24
          i don’t vote (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 13:43:05
               Ashtray vs. Bernie?(nm) - Shu MU - 3/1 19:50:34
     Who cares? nm. - MUTGR MU - 3/1 12:11:37
          looks like a lot of folks did(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 12:24:45
     How many alt handles do you have on this board? (nm) - tcat KC - 3/1 12:10:44
     what seperates man from animal?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 3/1 12:00:46
          nothing. Man is part of the animal kingdom (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:06:05
               this mean animals have what you call natural rights as well? - tigerinhogtown STL - 3/1 12:26:32
                    it does not (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:31:32
     would you vote for a governor who stated and you believed - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:52:46
          Now that is a tough question - pickle MU - 3/1 11:56:54
               why bring up "guaranteed", I didn't say "create" (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:01:07
                    because that would be the only reason i’d consider it - pickle MU - 3/1 12:07:43
                         I appreciate the serious responses but - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:12:19
                              high five (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:14:45
     why do you think people lash out at those who try to help - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:29:44
          Question for you. Why do you insist on calling people - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:42:55
               it's literally assault when he does that. Dehumanizing(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:45:58
               who is Dan? I don't think I've been told about this (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:45:12
                    RE: who is Dan? I don't think I've been told about this (nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:52:51
                         oooooooooooooo - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:53:35
                    The person you keep calling tim (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:51:39
                         I don't think I've been told about this (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:01:35
                              See above you lying liar (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:06:21
                                   where in that link is somebody telling me his correct name?(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:10:07
                                        Try this one - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:21:49
                                             I'm skeptical (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:33:49
                                                  Dodging simple questions by claiming - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:39:23
                                                       I answered your question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:46:13
                                                            No, you answered my question with a question (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:49:51
                                                                 RE: No, you answered my question with a question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:57:12
                                                                      How does that answer the question? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:58:47
                                                                           I'm skeptical of - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 13:56:07
                                             he lies more than the politician from the other party I - dangertim MU - 3/1 12:24:04
                              Are you trying to hurt my feelings? - dangertim MU - 3/1 12:03:03
                                   it's a talent, I don't have to try (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 12:05:11
               Zapports' name is Gertie(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:45:11
          negative reactions to their own cognitive dissonance(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:35:36
          **** you, that's why(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:34:37
          some people expect to be attacked - pickle MU - 3/1 11:32:03
     how do you define the capital 'c' Church? - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:24:19
          Mostly as Catholic Church as organization - pickle MU - 3/1 11:29:55
               how would you propose such institutions be destroyed?(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:34:46
                    the same as for the State - pickle MU - 3/1 11:38:00
                         gotcha(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:38:21
     great philosophy and outlook, thanks for begin open - - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:21:09
     Do you believe an adult masturbating in front of children - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:16:04
          of all the topics in the entirety of this subject, this is - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:21:54
               Actually, it is very much in the fringe - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 12:27:20
                    it is? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:14:55
                         Yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 14:34:52
                              wow(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/1 14:41:20
                                   Wonderful insight meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 14:53:16
                                        you use the example of an adult having sex with a 12 year - meatiger MU - 3/1 15:55:26
                                             No, your inability to ofer a clear response to an easy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/1 16:03:48
                                                  because you can only think in the collective - ashtray UF - 3/1 16:07:26
               he must live in DollarSign's neighborhood (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:31:33
               This is just one of the more blatant absurdities of pickle's - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:30:55
                    what are all the others? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:16:05
     What is the best Bush song?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 3/1 11:09:59
     and I fvckin hate capital letters(nm) - eatatjoes MU - 3/1 11:07:10
          So much so that I insist on telling others they need to take - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:48:41
               lazy (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:05:00
                    It seems you and pickle both ignore that 'live and let live' - JeffB MU - 3/1 12:28:27
                         lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:32:26
                              A typical pickle worthless 'response'. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 15:13:04
                         or you just don't understand it - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:29:13
     Watched the Spider-Man movies over the weekend. Far from - TigerMatt - 3/1 11:06:11
     The ring came off my pudding can(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:05:09
          pry it open with the back of your spoon (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:06:52
               Yes, I heard someone laughing about going to someone's - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:20:51
                    in my house growing up - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:23:37
                         Oops. That could be dangerous too. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:31:56
                              dinner knives not cutting knives, but yeah - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:35:16
               I was telling Pickle about it. Mind your own business(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/1 11:20:15
     Of course you will refuse to answer the questions that show - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:04:38
          A very poor example to make what otherwise is - GA Tiger MU - 3/1 13:24:07
               How so? You don't think ripping the arms and legs off of an - JeffB MU - 3/1 15:10:43
                    it is not (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 16:05:50
          pickle has never stated a woman has a right to rip the - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:23:19
               He runs & hides when asked to himself, but how would you - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:41:07
          that's your own misunderstanding of self-ownership (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:09:11
               Self ownership give you the right to kill your children? (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:10:55
                    no, this is your misunderstanding of self-ownership (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:20:13
                         Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining for us why mothers - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:22:55
                              self-ownership - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:25:59
                              RE: Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining for us why mothers - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:23:35
          He also believes that child porn is a victimless crime.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:08:30
               No i don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:11:16
                    Do you believe buying, selling or possessing child porn is - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:14:46
                    You have said that possession of child porn is not a crime. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:14:36
                         possession of and creation of are two different - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:24:05
                              So the person possessing it has zero responsibility for its - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:55:12
                                   generally, yes. did you make all the stuff you own? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 14:17:06
                                   with no other info known, that is correct (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:58:07
                                        I disagree 100%. If you are knowingly in possession of - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:02:42
                                             “with no other info known” (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:08:31
                                             You added another disclaimer of being "knowingly" - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:07:53
                                                  So you are claiming that people who possess child porn never - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:14:09
                                                       How did you get that claim out of my post? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:19:50
                                                            Because you claimed that they came on it after the harm was - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:26:12
                                                                 no. i’m sorry, but this is ignorance (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:35:05
                                                                 What if the person producing it had no idea that there - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:29:00
                                                                      I'm pretty sure when you are creating something to sell - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:33:32
                                                                           Why am I to assume the person creating it is doing so - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:38:12
                                                                                Is it okay to assume that Paramount is producing movies to - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:42:29
                                                                                     The internet is a complicated place. It's not as - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:48:20
                                                                                     🤦🏻‍♂️ (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:46:58
                                                                 that's a lot of assuming (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:27:50
                                                       He didn’t make that claim at all (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:15:49
                                                            If you claim that they do not create a demand that would be - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:18:27
                                   Not necessarily. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:58:01
                              Do you agree with pickle that buying, selling or possessing - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:49:55
                         possession and creation are two different things(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/1 11:22:21
                              Without a market for child porn there would be no supply. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:25:01
                                   that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:33:15
                                   I would agree with the body of your post. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:30:39
                                        That is a minor point. Let's assume for the moment that - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:33:55
                                             I don't agree with any of that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:38:19
                                                  You disagree with this statement? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:46:57
                                                       I don't necessarily disagree with that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:48:20
                                                            I too I am only guessing on how people get it. But when I - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:00:56
                                                                 That specific example is still a little gray, but you're - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:05:57
                                                                      Then I think you are much closer to me than Pickle on this - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:17:24
                                                                           I don't believe pickle ever claimed that, nor do - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:25:33
                                                                                I even said so - pickle MU - 3/1 12:26:57
                                                                                     I know. But I try to be very clear and not speak - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:30:13
                                                                                          i know. it’s just baffling at times (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:33:57
                                                                           I think kmaw and Pickle are quite close - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:22:45
                                                                                They are not close at all. Pickle says NO ONE but the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:24:28
                                                                                     Pay attention - pickle MU - 3/1 12:27:31
                                                                                          Are you saying that the purchase of child porn is and should - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:31:14
                                                                                               Is desiring someone to die a crime?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:40:56
                                                                                               I’m saying you don’t pay attention (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:33:18
                                                                                                    answer the question Pickle. Wasn't that your original post - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:43:31
                                                                                                         no, you’re not being honest here - pickle MU - 3/1 12:49:01
                                                                                     Pickle never said that - meatiger MU - 3/1 12:26:29
                                                                                     Do you have a link to pickle saying that? - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:26:28
                         possession of child porn is not the same thing as "child - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:15:46
                              So it is okay to pay someone else to molest children for you - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:18:08
                                   nobody said anything was "ok", DH (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/1 11:24:37
                                   neither are ok. - pickle MU - 3/1 11:21:25
                                        Was the person buying the child porn in any way responsible - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:23:30
                                             i don’t know. You haven’t provided enough information - pickle MU - 3/1 11:26:32
                                                  Simple economics, if there is no demand for a product then - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:29:41
                                                       See how easy it is to answer questions - pickle MU - 3/1 11:35:53
                                                       That’s incorrect. Demand does not create supply - pickle MU - 3/1 11:30:48
                                                            No. The creation of something does not automatically create - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:36:23
                                                                 Production creates demand, DH. Say’s law - pickle MU - 3/1 11:42:03
                                                                      And Keynes’ Law states that demand creates its own supply - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:04:25
                                                                           There's no "Keynes law" - ummmm MU - 3/1 12:15:55
                                                                                thank you (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:24:29
                                                                                That was a quote directly from Pickle. Not mine at all. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:22:52
                                                                                     Say's law doesn't require anything. - ummmm MU - 3/1 12:40:30
                                                                                     That's not true, unless you're attributing your personal - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:34:47
                                                                                     read posts a little more closely (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:25:09
                                                                           Keynes is a proven crackpot - pickle MU - 3/1 12:09:32
                                                                           Keynesian economics is full of wishful thinking - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:06:14
                                                                 he didn't say automatically (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:38:01
                                                                      Not really that important in this case. He said production - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:44:35
                                                                           I said nothing about automatic or guaranteed - pickle MU - 3/1 11:52:49
                                                                           There is a demand for individual flying cars - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:49:05
                                                                                So producing dog poo ice cream will create a demand? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:54:25
                                                                                     Pickle already explained it very clearly for you above. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:57:20
                                                                                          What does desire and ability mean? I can desire without the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 12:10:26
                                                                                               If it's a hobby and you enjoy doing it, you may continue to - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 12:17:23
                                                                                               Then that isn’t demand (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 12:16:17
                                                                                               if you aren't selling it, you probably will quit producitng - ashtray UF - 3/1 12:12:17
                                                                                                    Right. There has to be desire *and* ability to pay - pickle MU - 3/1 12:19:15
                                                                           he didn't say guarantee (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:46:29
                                                                                He said 'Production creates demand' - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:52:02
                                                                                     you are incorrectly inferring something not implied (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/1 11:56:16
                                                                                     Ohmygod (nm) - pickle MU - 3/1 11:53:07
                                                       you must be a big supporter of the war on drugs, then (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:30:35
                                             LOL - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:25:35
                                   This is where you trip all over yourself. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:20:32
                                        Is child porn a crime or not?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:22:24
                                             I believe so, yes (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:24:20
                                                  Just the person creating it or the people buying it as well? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:26:39
                                                       Are you asking what I believe the actual law is today or - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:28:59
                                                            There are obviously currently laws against both and unlike - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:31:24
                                                                 No, I don't think possession should be a crime. - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:34:59
                                                                      Is someone who is collecting child porn part of a criminal - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:40:40
                                                                           From my point of view - meatiger MU - 3/1 11:53:23
                                                                           The answer in the subject line is "It depends" - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:46:22
                                                                                Yes - pickle MU - 3/1 11:54:11
                              True. Do you think laws against possession of child porn - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:17:54
                         That’s completely different than what you just said - pickle MU - 3/1 11:15:33
                              So is possession of child porn a crime or not?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/1 11:19:50
                                   As disgusting and deplorable as it is, no, it is not - pickle MU - 3/1 11:24:22
                                        Is the filmographer of group rape of a child committing a - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:45:47
                                   does possession = create? - ashtray UF - 3/1 11:23:11
                              So are laws against buying, selling or possessing child porn - JeffB MU - 3/1 11:19:07
     If you were forced to move out of the US - kmawv8 MU - 3/1 11:03:18
          Ireland - pickle MU - 3/1 11:06:29




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