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Define nature. If by nature you mean a random occurrence of

Posted on: February 25, 2021 at 13:57:06 CT
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primordial forces that somehow endowed us with very specific rights.

Your damned right I deny that. Order from chaos is a direct violation of the second law of thermodynamics.
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Today's Poll - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 11:41:57
     I answered this yesterday, it's part of our - 90Tiger STL - 2/25 13:56:09
     Natural Law - things you just know without being taught - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 13:53:50
          no. That is not natural law (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:58:32
               what is your definition?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 14:01:13
                    i told you already - pickle MU - 2/25 14:06:20
                         sorry, from you response I thought you had an alternative - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 14:17:40
     I feel guilty. Cuz i murder pickletopians posts every day. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/25 13:29:19
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:42:45
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:30:53
               he murdered it - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:34:38
     There is nothing wrong with murder - Mizzou Lou KC - 2/25 13:25:05
          Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:29:56
     * - pickle MU - 2/25 12:54:22
     I want to say both morality/God and Natural Rights, but if I - MIZ45 MU - 2/25 12:44:21
     Sixth Commandment & Developing A Civil Society - ScottsdaleTiger MU - 2/25 12:32:19
          RE: Sixth Commandment & Developing A Civil Society - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:04:28
          it's almost as if it's natural (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:00:27
     RE: Today's Poll - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:30:00
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:35:54
     How about simple empathy? I don't want anyone to kill - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:23:27
          is that up to the individual or is there some universal - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:56:31
               Empathy is up to the individual.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:08:41
                    so is something only wrong if I don't want it done to me? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:18:08
                         My guess is that he would not believe so, he would lack the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:36:55
                              so the wrongness of murder isn't universal? it is dependent - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:41:17
                                   I offered empathy as an option to your original question - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:51:12
                                        oh, I misunderstood, the poll was what do you believe - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:55:22
                                             I have a Judeo-Christian belief system so I go with the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:00:13
                                                  did the higher power create the rights? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 14:52:32
                                        You didn't answer his question. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:54:16
                                             f it were a universal belief we would not be having this - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:03:25
                                                  That's not true at all. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:05:42
                                                       I'm not saying no one would ever be killed, accidents happen - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:16:28
                                                            No, I absolutely would not. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:23:04
                                                                 Correct, and you draw a distinct line at murder. Most - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:32:30
                                                                      First of all, there are no degrees to right and wrong. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:40:35
                                                                      I suspect that every one of us on this board would lie to - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:37:03
                                                                           You're going off on a tangent that's not related to the - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:42:35
                                                                                keep in mind, this is a guy who believes in a sky - 90Tiger STL - 2/25 17:30:53
                         He won't answer that because he clearly didn't think through - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:29:56
                              I did answer it dipsh1t. I actually think out my - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:43:55
                                   bwahahahahahaha (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:24:54
                                   lol (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 14:13:47
                    i don’t think that word means what you think it means (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:11:42
                         You are the last person I would come to if I were looking - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:28:31
                              it’s your choice to remain ignorant (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 14:13:07
                                   Refusing to take advice from stupid people is far from - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:18:30
                                        I wasn’t giving advice (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 15:34:58
                                        projection (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:24:21
          It is wrong regardless of what any religion might say. Loss - SparkyStalcup MU - 2/25 12:39:30
               what's your response to the poll? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:48:23
          RE: How about simple empathy? I don't want anyone to kill - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:35:05
               Most religions have some dogma about killing or even - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:40:39
                    RE: Most religions have some dogma about killing or even - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:52:10
     You shall not murder is a commandment which was written on - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:20:56
          Many people rely on the incorrect translation 'Thou shalt - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:38:01
               Exactly. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:56:33
                    Was killing Jews not murder since it was legal in Germany?(nm) - TigerMatt - 2/25 13:35:03
                         Just state sanctioned murder, but still murder. As someone - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:39:59
                         Abuse of governing authority is not God consenting to evil. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:45:52
               RE: Many people rely on the incorrect translation 'Thou shalt - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:38:47
          RE: You shall not murder is a commandment which was written on - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:32:37
               That was a vigilante mob, not the government. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:35:55
          Romans 12:19 - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:26:34
               A Paraphrase-And here's one of the ways I'm going to execute - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:28:47
                    Revenge by proxy? - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:47:00
                         for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 14:09:36
                              Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:03:41
                                   Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 20:07:01
                    thanks Al-Qaeda spokesperson (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:41:45
               A person taking personal revenge is not the government - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:32:42
                    The government is made up of people - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:36:48
                         The government is made up of people appointed by God to do - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:32:04
                              and His bidding is to not exact revenge (See Romans 12:19) - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:33:49
                                   See Romans 12:19 in context, and the full discussion - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:41:50
                                   You are arguing with a fundie extremist.(nm) - TigerMatt - 2/25 13:39:17
                         You lie against the Holy Spirit when you deny His testimony - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:54:41
                              and you should heed that admonition yourself. - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:00:06
                                   I already addressed that. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:06:20
                                        You actually didn't.. you dodged this: - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:18:08
                                             RE: You actually didn't.. you dodged this: - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 14:12:47
                                                  The meaning of Romans 12:19 is in 12:21: - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:02:59
                                                       The meaning of Romans 12:19 is in 12:19, IN CONTEXT OF - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 20:20:13
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:21:30
               For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:25:14
                    forget the will of god - pickle MU - 2/25 12:32:29
                         No. We know what happens to those who refuse to - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:41:21
                              it’s a poll, and you ****ed it up - pickle MU - 2/25 12:49:12
     Human nature. Natural rights. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/25 12:19:35
     Morality(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 2/25 12:17:04
          what's the basis for murder being immoral? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:47:28
     I'll check in finally, with a usual question. - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 12:08:12
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:41:23
               Yes. Nest question?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:21:41
                    good post GAT (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 15:03:38
          RE: I'll check in finally, with a usual question. - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:37:42
               I don't know what that means, as to yes or no.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:25:06
          Would it have been wrong to kill him as a child before - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:27:43
               Yes. Even if mentally ill its not one thats definable. - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:24:22
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:10:33
          Hitler used force to murder many - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:09:43
               As far as i know, Hitler didn't murder anyone. The Soldiers - tcat KC - 2/25 12:15:04
                    he was the one in charge ordering the murders - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:18:03
                         He gave orders his Soldiers followed. The soldier is - tcat KC - 2/25 12:26:16
                              By that analogy - meatiger MU - 2/25 12:42:44
                              both are (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:38:10
     Comes from God the Father Almighty - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 11:56:39
          There are many countries that do not recognize God - meatiger MU - 2/25 12:41:27
          And your response to the above?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 12:08:53
          Why isn't adultery a law? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 12:01:22
               RE: Why isn't adultery a law? (nm) - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 13:05:26
     RE: Today's Poll - scan MU - 2/25 11:54:18
          RE: Today's Poll - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:56:14
     natural rights - pickle MU - 2/25 11:53:55
          RE: natural rights - MOCO SON MU - 2/25 12:11:36
               no (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:13:38
               incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:11:52
     I believe personally that the right to life was endowed by - dangertim MU - 2/25 11:53:26
          prove you have a right to life! - DHtard (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:07:35
               He said he believes it comes from a creator. You deny - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:20:10
                    I deny what? Are you lying again, DH? - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:40:18
                         Do you deny the existence of a creator? Piizzle has. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:45:09
                              No, and you're an idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:57:29
                    you didn’t read his post - pickle MU - 2/25 12:23:20
                         Unlike you he did not claim that right was a fact. He said - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:32:17
                              the fact you were created by nature is not based in faith - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:41:05
                                   That is the stupidest argument I have heard and you keep - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:51:23
                                        your existence proves you were created by nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:58:15
                                        you don’t read people’s posts - pickle MU - 2/25 12:55:37
                                             that's a character issue - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:58:44
                              you didn’t read ashtray’s post - pickle MU - 2/25 12:37:59
                                   DT whose post we were responding to specifically stated - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:56:53
                                        this has nothing to do with dangertim - pickle MU - 2/25 13:10:39
                                             DT proved his statement, in a way, by admitting that it was - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:16:57
                                                  do you deny nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:26:00
                                                       Define nature. If by nature you mean a random occurrence of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:57:06
                                                            nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:22:55
                                                  For the fourth time: this has nothing to do with dangertim - pickle MU - 2/25 13:18:48
                                                       Yes it does. His example stated his belief in faith. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:27:41
                                                            lol DH (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:43:24
                                        The fact that you believe this isn't the scariest thing - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:09:47
                                        can nature not be a creator? - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:59:17
                                             When people say they believe in a creator they are usually - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:23:41
                                                  what people? - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:25:19
     Right to life (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:51:38
     abortion is premediated killing ..and the natural rights - Spanky KU - 2/25 11:45:14
          RE: abortion is premediated killing ..and the natural rights - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:47:29
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:39:16
          So is war(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 11:59:17
               Do natural rights folks feel the same about war as they - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:09:26
                    I do - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 12:12:05
                         so you agree that abortion is the premeditated killing of - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:37:51
                              Yes - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 12:53:09
                    no, but you don't understand the right of self-ownership - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:10:35
                         Nope.. you are the one who looks very dumb on this topic - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:16:28
                              false. like I said, you don't recognize or understand - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:19:01
                                   Fail again. You look like a tool justifying the - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:30:37
                                        you look like a fool claiming an individual doesn't - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:41:58
                                             Fail. No-one has the right to kill another that is not - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:49:14
                                                  huge fail by you - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:59:45
                                                       Dance away asshat(nm) - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:00:26
                                                            that's exactly what you are doing by denying the - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:05:22
                                                                 You fail.. She does not have the right to kill that which is - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:35:54
                                                                      RE: You fail.. She does not have the right to kill that which is - ashtray UF - 2/25 15:53:43
                                                                           Fail. Self ownership does not = killing a life that is not - Spanky KU - 2/25 16:13:48
                                                                                RE: Fail. Self ownership does not = killing a life that is not - ashtray UF - 2/25 17:34:30
          That's an odd way of answering the question (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:51:27
     Right to life - meatiger MU - 2/25 11:45:04
     Because I said so(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/25 11:44:12




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