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but they were flukes - it's silly to count them for the

Posted on: February 22, 2021 at 14:34:42 CT
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purpose of debating how often we should reach the NCAAT





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What is a realistic expectation for a power 5 coach to make - playhard NWMSU - 2/22 14:09:06
     Power 5 coach at Duke, TCU, Miami or Mizzou - ERB KC - 2/22 19:25:15
     RE: What is a realistic expectation for a power 5 coach to make - KC rules MU - 2/22 18:41:51
          Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years? - MIZtigerZOU MU - 2/22 18:49:16
               RE: Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years? - KC rules MU - 2/22 18:59:26
                    RE: Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years? - MIZtigerZOU MU - 2/22 19:22:06
     for MU, 70-80% is the benchmark - phrejd MU - 2/22 17:53:34
          Norm was in the tourney for 15 of his last 21 years - KC rules MU - 2/22 18:46:08
     It's got to be more than just the tournament - Missiurifarmboy MU - 2/22 16:47:53
          Assuming Mizzou holds its projected seed this will be the - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:57:35
     80%, there are going to be some down years too(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 15:32:15
          6 P5 teams have made 80%+ tourneys over the past 20 years - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:40:16
               In the 20 yr period from 1976-1995 MU earned NCAA bids - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 15:43:51
                    "Our absolute highest peak is a good benchmark" (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:44:55
                         20 year period is a good sample set to draw conclusions(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 15:46:21
                              Since that 20 year run - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 15:52:50
                                   That is very suboptimal. I was answering under - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 15:56:42
                                        Do you not know what the word "benchmark" means? (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:58:14
                                             point of reference against which things may be compared(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 16:03:51
                                                  Is UCLA's benchmark 7 straight national championships? - zoomer 99 - 2/22 16:18:36
                                                       I don't care about UCLA, and am not in a position - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 16:22:09
                                                            Too cowardly for thought experiments. Alright (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 16:26:40
                                                                 No offense, but this may not be your forte (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 16:27:22
                              lol (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:47:11
                                   You asked for other 20 year examples - FIJItiger MU - 2/22 15:51:03
                                        lol (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:52:09
               80%+ is pretty rare - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:43:11
     Not all P5 is the same. In the SEC, MU should make - alwaysright MU - 2/22 15:04:27
          9 out of 10, no problem and at a school that barely tries - Jeff80 MU - 2/22 19:48:08
          nm - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:24:09
          I bet very few non blue bloods make it at close to that rate - Eggs MU - 2/22 15:09:41
          That would mean Mizzou consistently outperforms - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 15:08:02
               I am not saying that we can just stumble out onto the court - alwaysright MU - 2/22 17:15:16
                    Mizzou needs a massive commitment increase - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 20:29:10
                         No, we need to be smarter. - alwaysright MU - 2/23 06:59:44
               How does spending more money, result in more wins, ?? nm - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 15:25:49
                    There’s a pretty clear correlation to spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 15:33:00
                         Where do you need to increase spending, pay CM more - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:23:02
                              Recruiting and assistants pool for starters - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:26:13
                                   We had Liddell, Christopher, Love, and Fletcher all - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:31:55
                                        Having better assistants is part of it. - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:37:50
                                             Agreed. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/22 22:40:48
                                             If you want to say our facilities are not as good as other - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:43:40
                                                  Facilities are actually pretty good. It’s too big - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:51:55
                                                       nm - MU-TULSA MU - 2/23 05:33:16
                    In a clear and direct way - zoomer 99 - 2/22 15:30:55
                         There are a lot of programs on that list that arent - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:20:40
                              You have to have a purpose to your increased spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:29:39
                                   We are getting talent to look at MU but it appears they dont - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:34:29
                                        Well most of those coaches that are “great” recruiters - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:40:02
                                             That has always been the ku way, personally if it required - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 16:47:07
                                                  Mizzou wasn’t the only school that would hire Sr to get them - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 16:53:38
                                                       I would love to see the G league take all the players that - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 17:43:36
                                                            I don’t see that ever happening. - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 18:45:55
     If you don't have a team capable of competing for the - Fred G. Sanford USA - 2/22 14:52:19
          But it's how most P5 programs are currently measured - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:54:18
     67%(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/22 14:37:35
     for MU, 2 out of 3 years (nm) - zounami MU - 2/22 14:26:10
          CM's pretty close to that. 2 of 4 in a total rebuild (nm) - zoomer 99 - 2/22 14:28:52
               This year's offseason and next year's performance - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:36:11
                    Absolutely. He better land some Kassius Robertson-like - zounami MU - 2/22 14:42:09
                         That kind of guy should be the #1 target for transfers - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:47:14
               The jury's still out on CM in my opinion. If his recruiting - zounami MU - 2/22 14:30:29
          That's pretty much exactly the rate we've been at - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:26:57
               This season will make 11 of 22 since Norm retired (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:29:02
                    What was it pre-Haith and KA? That's when we basically gave - Lerxst MU - 2/22 15:26:03
                         Let’s just take all the bad years away and it’s 100% (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 15:34:03
                         RE: What was it pre-Haith and KA? That's when we basically gave - Eggs MU - 2/22 15:30:02
                              Thank you for answering w/out being a smart a$$ like you... - Lerxst MU - 2/22 18:14:47
                    Correct, but I put a bit of an * there due to the Kim years - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:33:25
                         Mizzou still misses the tournament in at least 1 of the 3 - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:46:43
                              He was put in a no-win situation after Haith cratered the - go tigers MU - 2/22 22:45:28
                                   No (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 22:52:24
                         I would exclude the Kim years and immediate post-Quin years - zounami MU - 2/22 14:37:55
                              So those years didn’t happen? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:49:24
                    due to the Quin fiasco and Kim hiring (nm) - zounami MU - 2/22 14:31:18
                         Those seasons happened - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:33:06
                              Agreed. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/22 22:46:24
                              but they were flukes - it's silly to count them for the - zounami MU - 2/22 14:34:42
                                   Since those situations keep happening it’s not a fluke - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:38:13
                                        Cant blame MU for those cycles, - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 15:12:00
                                             It’s definitely on Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 15:16:01
                                                  But whether you want to admit it or not, - MU-TULSA MU - 2/22 17:58:41
                                                       When all the coaches failed or left because - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 18:44:32
                                        Wrong. Multiple flukes can happen, in fact they often do - zounami MU - 2/22 14:40:04
                                             I would be ok with Mizzou giving McCollum a shot - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:47:48
                                                  Good Lord. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 2/22 18:17:58
                                                       Have you watched his teams play? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 22:23:50
                                   ...and if you do count them, there needs to be an asterisk - zounami MU - 2/22 14:35:37
               Yeah, I saw your post below right after I posted it... - zounami MU - 2/22 14:28:40
               I think that's a realistic expectation, especially with a - playhard NWMSU - 2/22 14:28:37
     Our rate since the tourney expanded to 64 teams - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:23:54
          Actually 65.6% - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:25:42
               and now there are 68 teams, plus we've had bad luck with - zounami MU - 2/22 14:28:07
     for any school remotely considered a basketball school - SuperTone MU - 2/22 14:14:22
     Good question. Our legend Norm made exactly 50% - zoomer 99 - 2/22 14:13:23
          Starting in about 1978 - Tptiger MU - 2/22 14:49:27
               Yeah, I consider from 1976 on, we were kind of expected to - ShowMeKid MU - 2/22 15:41:40
          Several of those seasons were before the tourney expanded - Eggs MU - 2/22 14:23:26
     Norm made it 50% of the time and there were not as many - Erwin Fletcher STL - 2/22 14:12:46
          That's a good point and Norm took over an absolute - playhard NWMSU - 2/22 14:17:18
     What phase of their career? - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:12:45
          CM has been a P5 coach for 10 years now and this would - playhard NWMSU - 2/22 14:20:21
               It’s his 4th different job - wu-tangtiger MU - 2/22 14:25:35
                    Now that's a valid defense. (nm) - zounami MU - 2/22 14:41:16




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