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No, it doesn't require both parts

Posted on: February 10, 2021 at 12:21:32 CT
mizzouSECedes STL
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Those are the two choices of punishment. Most officials of the government that have been impeached have not been barred from holding public office. Some have though.

Are those punishments all unconstitutional?
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With the impeachment of a president who has already - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:24:55
     How are Trump fluffers...I mean followers being punished? - mizzoumurfkc KC - 2/10 11:46:21
          cancel culturists. using "trump fluffers" says a bunch - 90Tiger STL - 2/10 12:11:20
          RE: How are Trump fluffers...I mean followers being punished? - Spanky KU - 2/10 11:55:57
          Really, there have already been calls to not hire anyone - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:55:52
     lol (nm) - pickle MU - 2/10 11:37:38
          Ah, the board idiot speaks. It would not be a TB thread - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:47:18
               Be carful if you call him out. His stooges will attack you - hokie VT - 2/10 12:06:42
                    Too late, Swampthing already rode to his defense.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:10:21
                         ironic as hell, the above 3 posts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/10 12:11:53
     It's perfectly legal and constitutional. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 11:29:33
          Not even close(nm) - redngray MU - 2/10 12:38:24
          RE: It's perfectly legal and constitutional. - MOCO SON MU - 2/10 11:40:40
               Actions & words have consequences. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 12:22:09
          And it unites the country. In an effort that has virtually - hokie VT - 2/10 11:39:09
          Purging soliders of the military based on their - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 11:36:56
               Purge? Good Lord. Get off InfoWars. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 11:37:41
                    Lol, literally, and I mean LITERALLY - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 11:40:53
          lol did you read that on the Huffington Post website - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:33:06
               No. I read Article 1 and 2 of the Constitution. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 11:36:06
                    lol well you obviously didn't understand it idiot - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:38:59
                         generally with charges comes a trial(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:43:12
                              Not normal for impeachments (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 11:47:27
                              lol what?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:46:04
                                   An impeachment is a charge..correct? - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:47:53
                         nor does it preclude it. And it explicitly provides a remedy - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:42:02
                              By adding that additional remedy that is only available - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:45:41
                                   Dems are not really good a looking at the possible - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:51:11
                                        You're conflating two things that aren't necessarily equal. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:57:03
                                             If found guilty do they swear him back in for a day so they - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:04:32
                                                  no, disqualify him for future office (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 12:10:10
                                                  criminal charges are taken up by an entirely different group - meatiger MU - 2/10 12:06:12
                                                       They are, where are those charges? Impeachnent is to - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:12:28
                                                            I dont know (nm) - meatiger MU - 2/10 12:34:09
                                   Was the impeachment constitutional (given it occured - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:48:17
                                        The impeachment was. The trial is not. The penalty is - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:57:58
                                             the penalty is "removal from Office, and disqualification to - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 12:00:39
                                                  AND, you guys seem incapable of understanding that is a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:06:42
                                        I don't know it's never been tested in the SCOTUS - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:49:45
                                             So you have to wait for SCOTUS - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:51:37
                                                  No I have my own opinion but it isn't biding - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:53:41
                                                  that isn't what he said meat (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/10 11:53:15
                                                       He said "I don't know" - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:57:07
                                                            it still isn't what he said, meat (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/10 12:01:50
                                             You're conflating the House impeachment with the Senate - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:51:20
                                                  Again I don't know it hasn't been challenged in the SCOTUS - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:53:12
                                                       Then the Senate has the power to try it. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:55:08
                                                            To what purpose? If they find him guilty they remove him - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:00:24
                                                                 "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 12:01:27
                                                                      That is part of the removal from office hence the AND - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:09:42
                                                                 They can prevent him from ever taking public office - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 12:01:07
                                                            what you aren't understanding is that there is nothing to - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:56:58
                                                                 Which leads to an absurd result that a Senate could delay - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:58:56
                                                                      Constitutionally maybe? After all they have the SOLE power - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 12:01:30
                              No, it explicitly provides a remedy in addition to removal - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:43:45
                         It says PRECISELY that. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 11:40:44
                              lol no dip$hit point it out - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:41:40
          nope. If it was, Roberts would be presiding - Spanky KU - 2/10 11:32:29
               Read Article 1 and 2 of the Constitution. - RamblinScramblin MU - 2/10 11:36:38
                    You may wish to do the same(nm) - Spanky KU - 2/10 12:33:01
               Instead, we have a judge who stated trump was guilty. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/10 11:33:48
     Everything that's going on now is to punish opponents and - sprintcar STL - 2/10 11:29:32
     The impeachment was before he left office(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:26:47
          correct but a trial becomes moot once he left(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:34:21
               not if there is a specified remedy other than removal - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:38:06
                    Removal from office AND ... - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:42:11
                         No, it doesn't require both parts - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 12:21:32
                              No, if that were the case it would say OR or AND/OR - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 12:33:38
                                   Then the majority of the impeachment rulings - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/10 12:56:12
                         correct(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:51:18
                    You have to get a conviction before even reaching the - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:41:14
                         Was it OK for the House to impeach him? - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:45:44
                              I can see that as being upheld, but again once he left - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:48:38
                                   But the consititution says "The Senate has the sole Power to - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:54:17
                                        lol their power is tied to the remedy - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/10 11:55:53
                                             the remedy of disqualification of office is not moot (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 12:02:16
                         but he was impeached while in office - gmmm98 MU - 2/10 11:44:04
                              He was impeached a week before leaving office, that most - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:45:19
                                   Absurd or not, it was constitutional, correct? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/10 11:47:11
                                        since he did not commit treason, a high crime or - blake1771 MU - 2/10 13:04:11
                                   no(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 2/10 11:47:08
          So what is the Senate up to now if not impeachment? - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/10 11:34:01
               It has more effects then just removal from office(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/10 11:37:06




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