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The only rights that mean anything are those you have the

Posted on: September 28, 2020 at 12:22:25 CT
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power to secure. Anyone can claim any right that they may wish. What does it matter if they do not have the power to secure it?

Did slaves and serfs have rights? How do you know? was there any evidence of this? If they had them they were meaningless.

What is the material difference between man discovering rights that God gave them or using the free will and reason he also gave them to create them on their own?

Assuming there is a God, did God give us air travel or did we use the gifts he gave us to create it on our own? Does it really matter? We definitely have air travel.
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DH, what rights do the unborn have - pickle MU - 9/28 09:54:20
     there are no natural rights(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 10:53:20
     Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 10:46:28
     Who was the whistle britches that made law that... - JayRoy KC - 9/28 10:12:56
     The magical no govt ever fairies. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/28 10:12:20
          another creepy post from the angrylibertarian (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:14:20
               I'm sorry I left u out sweetie. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/28 10:24:01
                    try paying attention (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:29:02
     RE: DH, what rights do the unborn have - zoomer 99 - 9/28 10:04:42
     Where do their rights come from? God. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 09:55:55
          Kinda... Cosmology, anthropology and theology are three - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:10:30
               That cannot be true. Pizzle and his minions have been - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:27:56
                    One can argue that there is no need for God to have - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:41:02
                         I don't disagree with anything you have said. I don't - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:59:47
                              so they don't come from our creator, we construct them? - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:10:16
                                   Our creator gave us the ability to reason and discover for - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:16:59
                                        "I personally believe in God and that our rights come from - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:20:09
                                             Through the reason that he gave us. Is this really that - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:23:49
                                                  there is a difference between - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:54:00
                                                       The only rights that mean anything are those you have the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:22:25
                                                            therefore the unborn do not have rights - pickle MU - 9/28 13:18:55
                                                            disagree - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 12:40:25
                                   he’s contradicting himself all over the place - pickle MU - 9/28 11:16:02
                                        Not at all. A creator gave us reason, from that reason we - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:22:27
                                             discover =/= create - pickle MU - 9/28 11:28:38
                                                  You have claimed many times that Natural Rights are a fact. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:35:00
                                                       i have never demanded anyone accept my views, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 11:37:09
                                                            So you have never claimed that Natural Rights are an - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:45:50
                                                                 i have never demanded anyone accept my views, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 11:50:46
                                                                      Every time you make a declarative statement like 'Taxation - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:26:11
                                                                           not only is that poor logic - pickle MU - 9/28 13:16:57
                                   Well.. depends on your starting point. Do you believe in - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 11:13:19
                    answer the questions, DH (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:38:08
          Words mean things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:02:59
               DH doesn’t agree with that, and the question is to him (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:42:32
               Those were the beliefs of our forefathers that they used as - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:30:16
                    Here is the part you are missing. Pickle believes there is - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:47:15
                         He denies that rights come from reason. He denies a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:02:19
                    you said the unborn have rights bc they are living humans - pickle MU - 9/28 10:37:49
                    We get natural rights from the air, the the flowers, and, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:37:32
                         you're still missing the point - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:49:22
               the point is, DH doesn't agree (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:10:54
                    You actually have no idea what I believe. I simply pick - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:55:53
                         there's some irony - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:04:59
                         lol you’re contradicting yourself again - pickle MU - 9/28 11:04:52
                              No, I am not. I have only ever attacked your position on - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:30:36
               So if a couple of guys write something down, it makes it - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:07:28
                    couple of guys=founding fathers - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/28 10:16:48
                         Founding Fathers=saints in the religion of patriotism(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/28 10:53:55
                    So the answer to the question "Where doour rights come from" - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:09:49
                    LOL - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:09:08
                    No, but it would tell you the view of our founders with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:08:40
                         He's asking DH the question, not our founders. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:13:11
                              And I responding to a response to the OP - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:14:46
               "Yeah, but where do their rights come from?" - pickle(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:04:41
                    He is a human anus - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:07:44
                    Those rights exist naturally whether you believe in God - hefeweizen MU - 9/28 10:06:32
                         He is actually not fully correct. His view on rights are - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:13:04
                         No God = No morals = No rights.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:09:00
                              that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:40:54
                              Why do morals and rights - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:10:21
                                   They don't. But that doesn't change the shaping of them - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:14:13
                                   They don't require God, but they requrie a Creator. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:12:07
                                        According to whom or what? - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:16:58
                                             No Creator = No need for morals = No natural rights.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:17:59
                                                  also incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:41:23
                                                  Why? - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:21:15
                                                       No Creator = Your rights come from gov't. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:22:43
                                                            Where does government get that power?(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:25:56
                                                                 They don't get that power without a creator.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:29:55
                                                                      So without a creator - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:39:40
                                                                           Yes.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:48:08
                                                                                lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:48:27
                                                                                     People take authority over you even with a creator.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 11:02:53
                                                                           With or without a creator, if they have bigger guns they - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:42:24
                                                  And no Creator means your rights come from gov't. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:21:00
                                        That is your opinion(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:15:36
                                             Well, NO SHlT, Sherlock.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:16:58
                                        Exactly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:13:35
                                             You didn't capitalize "creator". (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:14:49
                                                  Because I was not referring to a specific creator - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:17:08




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