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One can argue that there is no need for God to have

Posted on: September 28, 2020 at 10:41:02 CT
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rights. Ok. Don't care.

But if we are talking about the origins of rights recognized in the 21st century West, it is inescapable that they came from a Judeo-Christian view of cosmology, theology and anthropology.

Western dominance of the globe has spread this view of rights.

This is a far more complicated subject than it appears on the surface.
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DH, what rights do the unborn have - pickle MU - 9/28 09:54:20
     there are no natural rights(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 10:53:20
     Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 10:46:28
     Who was the whistle britches that made law that... - JayRoy KC - 9/28 10:12:56
     The magical no govt ever fairies. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/28 10:12:20
          another creepy post from the angrylibertarian (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:14:20
               I'm sorry I left u out sweetie. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/28 10:24:01
                    try paying attention (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:29:02
     RE: DH, what rights do the unborn have - zoomer 99 - 9/28 10:04:42
     Where do their rights come from? God. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 09:55:55
          Kinda... Cosmology, anthropology and theology are three - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:10:30
               That cannot be true. Pizzle and his minions have been - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:27:56
                    One can argue that there is no need for God to have - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:41:02
                         I don't disagree with anything you have said. I don't - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:59:47
                              so they don't come from our creator, we construct them? - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:10:16
                                   Our creator gave us the ability to reason and discover for - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:16:59
                                        "I personally believe in God and that our rights come from - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:20:09
                                             Through the reason that he gave us. Is this really that - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:23:49
                                                  there is a difference between - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:54:00
                                                       The only rights that mean anything are those you have the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:22:25
                                                            therefore the unborn do not have rights - pickle MU - 9/28 13:18:55
                                                            disagree - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 12:40:25
                                   he’s contradicting himself all over the place - pickle MU - 9/28 11:16:02
                                        Not at all. A creator gave us reason, from that reason we - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:22:27
                                             discover =/= create - pickle MU - 9/28 11:28:38
                                                  You have claimed many times that Natural Rights are a fact. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:35:00
                                                       i have never demanded anyone accept my views, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 11:37:09
                                                            So you have never claimed that Natural Rights are an - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:45:50
                                                                 i have never demanded anyone accept my views, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 11:50:46
                                                                      Every time you make a declarative statement like 'Taxation - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:26:11
                                                                           not only is that poor logic - pickle MU - 9/28 13:16:57
                                   Well.. depends on your starting point. Do you believe in - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 11:13:19
                    answer the questions, DH (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:38:08
          Words mean things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:02:59
               DH doesn’t agree with that, and the question is to him (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:42:32
               Those were the beliefs of our forefathers that they used as - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:30:16
                    Here is the part you are missing. Pickle believes there is - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:47:15
                         He denies that rights come from reason. He denies a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:02:19
                    you said the unborn have rights bc they are living humans - pickle MU - 9/28 10:37:49
                    We get natural rights from the air, the the flowers, and, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:37:32
                         you're still missing the point - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:49:22
               the point is, DH doesn't agree (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 10:10:54
                    You actually have no idea what I believe. I simply pick - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 10:55:53
                         there's some irony - SwampTiger MU - 9/28 11:04:59
                         lol you’re contradicting yourself again - pickle MU - 9/28 11:04:52
                              No, I am not. I have only ever attacked your position on - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:30:36
               So if a couple of guys write something down, it makes it - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:07:28
                    couple of guys=founding fathers - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/28 10:16:48
                         Founding Fathers=saints in the religion of patriotism(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 9/28 10:53:55
                    So the answer to the question "Where doour rights come from" - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:09:49
                    LOL - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:09:08
                    No, but it would tell you the view of our founders with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:08:40
                         He's asking DH the question, not our founders. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:13:11
                              And I responding to a response to the OP - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:14:46
               "Yeah, but where do their rights come from?" - pickle(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:04:41
                    He is a human anus - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:07:44
                    Those rights exist naturally whether you believe in God - hefeweizen MU - 9/28 10:06:32
                         He is actually not fully correct. His view on rights are - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:13:04
                         No God = No morals = No rights.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:09:00
                              that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:40:54
                              Why do morals and rights - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:10:21
                                   They don't. But that doesn't change the shaping of them - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:14:13
                                   They don't require God, but they requrie a Creator. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:12:07
                                        According to whom or what? - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:16:58
                                             No Creator = No need for morals = No natural rights.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:17:59
                                                  also incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 10:41:23
                                                  Why? - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:21:15
                                                       No Creator = Your rights come from gov't. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:22:43
                                                            Where does government get that power?(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:25:56
                                                                 They don't get that power without a creator.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:29:55
                                                                      So without a creator - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:39:40
                                                                           Yes.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:48:08
                                                                                lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:48:27
                                                                                     People take authority over you even with a creator.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 11:02:53
                                                                           With or without a creator, if they have bigger guns they - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 10:42:24
                                                  And no Creator means your rights come from gov't. - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:21:00
                                        That is your opinion(nm) - meatiger MU - 9/28 10:15:36
                                             Well, NO SHlT, Sherlock.(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 9/28 10:16:58
                                        Exactly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:13:35
                                             You didn't capitalize "creator". (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 9/28 10:14:49
                                                  Because I was not referring to a specific creator - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/28 10:17:08




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