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Not if you deny a creator. I agree if there is a creator it

Posted on: September 28, 2020 at 12:11:59 CT
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does not really matter if they gifted us with rights or allowed us to discover them.

But if you deny a creator the rights have to come from somewhere.

I freely admit my beliefs are faith based. But so are all of the other options.

Pickle is the absolutist, he demands that everyone accept Natural Rights without identifying their origins.

My argument is not about natural rights so much as his authoritarian approach to them. They must be accepted and there must be no deviation from them. So sayeth the Pickle.
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Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 11:09:58
     RE: Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - sarasotatiger MU - 9/28 11:51:09
          America =/= West. America is just part of the West.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 12:16:24
     Who teaches a 2 year old to lie? People are evil.(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 11:24:57
          Do 2 year olds lie because they are evil. Or do they lie - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:42:06
               Not sin but self preservation is the nature of man - KC rules MU - 9/28 11:57:48
               RE: Do 2 year olds lie because they are evil. Or do they lie - sarasotatiger MU - 9/28 11:52:28
               If you think selfishness isn't evil you are lost. (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 11:50:47
                    Selfishness is a survival skill. Staying alive is not evil.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:57:24
                         Incorrect and ignorant(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 12:16:01
                              Have you ever actually listened when they give instructions - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:29:08
                                   oh boy. such deep thought(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 15:06:21
                    the concept of selfishness - pickle MU - 9/28 11:54:03
     RE: Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - pickle MU - 9/28 11:23:01
          But you deny a creator, so where do those rights come from. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:36:35
               If they came from God, where are they stored if not - 90Tiger STL - 9/28 12:00:11
                    Not if you deny a creator. I agree if there is a creator it - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:11:59
                         i’ve never demanded that at all, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 12:17:36
                              Then prove their existence, admit they are based on faith or - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:15:26
                                   i think, therefore i am (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 13:29:30
               i’ve never denied a creator - pickle MU - 9/28 11:44:02
                    So Natural Rights do come from a creator? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:49:40
                         that’s poor logic - pickle MU - 9/28 11:53:10
                              Yes, creator requires sentience. A string of improbable - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:04:08
                    that creator put physical laws of the universe in place - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:47:57
                         I think he gave us reason and free will to discover/create - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:54:48
     It's NOT natural RIGHTS that keep me from murder - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:21:03
          it is a moral code informed by natural rights - pickle MU - 9/28 11:24:34
               OR:it is a moral code informed by natural laws(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:27:12
                    you’re close, but missing the mark a bit - pickle MU - 9/28 11:35:47




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