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Pickle vs a Christian on rights.

Posted on: September 28, 2020 at 11:09:58 CT
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Christian: Our rights come from God.
Pickle: No, they don't.

As I stated in a previous post, the way a culture views rights is impacted by the cosmology, theology and anthropology of that culture. Change one or more of these elements and the view of rights drastically changes. What one culture views can be abhorrent to another culture.

The Declaration of Independence declared these rights self evident. They are to those who came from a Judeo-Christian cultural background. But if you are a Hindu or Buddhist from the East, they are not self-evident as their views on cosmology, theology and anthropology are far different.

So a Western Christian will claim rights come from God. Specifically, the Judeo-Christian God. And it makes perfect sense to them. That is their view on those three previously mentioned elements.

Pickle will say, no that is not true. God is not real. So, the Bible cannot be inspired by God.

What does that leave (from an atheist perspective)? The Judeo-Christian God was a product of the mind of humans. The Bible, thus is a product of the mind of humans.

So even if he will acknowledge the influence of Judeo-Christian thought on the Western world, to him, it does not change that righta come from the nature of man as a species capable of reason.

You may disagree with his premise (there is no Creator God), but it still follows a logically valid argument.

Edited by TigerMatt at 11:11:08 on 09/28/20
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Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 11:09:58
     RE: Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - sarasotatiger MU - 9/28 11:51:09
          America =/= West. America is just part of the West.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 9/28 12:16:24
     Who teaches a 2 year old to lie? People are evil.(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 11:24:57
          Do 2 year olds lie because they are evil. Or do they lie - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:42:06
               Not sin but self preservation is the nature of man - KC rules MU - 9/28 11:57:48
               RE: Do 2 year olds lie because they are evil. Or do they lie - sarasotatiger MU - 9/28 11:52:28
               If you think selfishness isn't evil you are lost. (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 11:50:47
                    Selfishness is a survival skill. Staying alive is not evil.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:57:24
                         Incorrect and ignorant(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 12:16:01
                              Have you ever actually listened when they give instructions - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:29:08
                                   oh boy. such deep thought(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 9/28 15:06:21
                    the concept of selfishness - pickle MU - 9/28 11:54:03
     RE: Pickle vs a Christian on rights. - pickle MU - 9/28 11:23:01
          But you deny a creator, so where do those rights come from. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:36:35
               If they came from God, where are they stored if not - 90Tiger STL - 9/28 12:00:11
                    Not if you deny a creator. I agree if there is a creator it - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:11:59
                         i’ve never demanded that at all, DH - pickle MU - 9/28 12:17:36
                              Then prove their existence, admit they are based on faith or - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 13:15:26
                                   i think, therefore i am (nm) - pickle MU - 9/28 13:29:30
               i’ve never denied a creator - pickle MU - 9/28 11:44:02
                    So Natural Rights do come from a creator? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:49:40
                         that’s poor logic - pickle MU - 9/28 11:53:10
                              Yes, creator requires sentience. A string of improbable - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 12:04:08
                    that creator put physical laws of the universe in place - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:47:57
                         I think he gave us reason and free will to discover/create - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/28 11:54:48
     It's NOT natural RIGHTS that keep me from murder - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:21:03
          it is a moral code informed by natural rights - pickle MU - 9/28 11:24:34
               OR:it is a moral code informed by natural laws(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 9/28 11:27:12
                    you’re close, but missing the mark a bit - pickle MU - 9/28 11:35:47




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