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Funny how something that has always existed cannot

Posted on: July 8, 2020 at 12:01:19 CT
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be found in almost any civilization throughout human history.

Don't you also find it strange that the men who penned these words owned other humans?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

How can you claim these rights to be self-evident while owning slaves?

Then they go on to say that without governments you do not have these rights.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, "

Why do I need a government to secure rights for me that I already possess?
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The ignorance of rights here is astounding - pickle MU - 7/8 10:02:40
     that's what happens when the uneducated tards flock - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:35:10
     I know right. Some people think others have the right - JG A - 7/8 12:02:32
     Who cares? - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/8 11:53:47
     Your problem is you can’t distinguish between... - JayRoy KC - 7/8 11:33:51
          ^^^ perfect example of an uneducated tard (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:35:59
     Very eloquent post there pickle... - Logan BAMA - 7/8 10:40:20
     Have you completed that proof of natural rights yet?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 10:16:43
          have you figured out what 'self-evident' means yet? - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:36:39
          Since you won't engage by answering a simple - ummmm MU - 7/8 10:44:30
               Since when does a proof of a logical statement require - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:14:05
                    since when is it so hard to figure out what 'self-evident' - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:37:32
                    You choose to be his píss bucket boy, I simply point out - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:47:40
                         the only thing 'obvious to the rest of us' - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:38:16
                         and now your posting abilities are diminishing - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:53:23
                    why so vulgar? - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:36:44
                    All logical proofs require a premise. The question here is - ummmm MU - 7/8 11:17:34
                         There is one little problem with his statement. People - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:40:18
                              and this is where your logic fails miserably - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:39:14
                              Those rights have always existed, DH - pickle MU - 7/8 11:48:25
                                   Funny how something that has always existed cannot - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:01:19
                                        why do you need a lock on a door to secure things - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 12:08:18
                                             If someone takes them then I don't possess them do I? - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:11:25
                                                  They aren’t taken. I can “take” your life - pickle MU - 7/8 12:33:24
                                                  but they still belong to you - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 12:27:23
                                                       Does owning a car mean anything if someone removes - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:30:29
                                                            Yes (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 13:08:03
                                                            dude (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:44:18
                                                            terrible argument by a terrible person - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:40:33
                                                  Here's your words and beliefs - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:25:53
                                                       Yes, I have any right that I, or someone for me, has the - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:33:27
                                                            wow, you're dumb (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:41:55
                                                            Lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:36:04
                                                  So you're of the belief that we don't have any rights - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:13:22
                                                       I believe that rights are man-made we have the rights we - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:27:46
                                                            People have had their lives taken in most cultures - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:43:45
                                             LOL - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:09:24
                                        Why are you looking at civilizations? - pickle MU - 7/8 12:04:56
                                             Because civilizations are made up of people, people who you - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:20:35
                                                  they are self-evident - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:44:17
                                                  that argument doesn’t make any sense - pickle MU - 7/8 12:31:38
                                        So you have now found fallacy in the magic rights that - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:04:24
                                   He doesn't even understand what willfully ignorant means. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:51:44
                                        he gets destroyed on this topic repeatedly - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:45:23
                                             i can’t believe he’s a teacher - pickle MU - 7/8 13:10:51
                                                  explains a lot about the state of the country (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 13:17:28
                                        Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:02:35
                    It requires agreement on the premise - pickle MU - 7/8 11:16:47
                         No that is not the premise that is your belief. - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:31:10
                              No, DH. And that’s not what begging the question is - pickle MU - 7/8 11:44:36
                                   No I don't accept that. That has not been true throughout - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:52:44
                                        Then if you don't accept that, who has a superior claim? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:58:28
                                             He is the one trying to prove natural rights. It is on him - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:09:29
                                                  you seem like a scared little pussy - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:46:34
                                                  You are saying you don't agree with that belief. He does. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:16:19
                                        It has always been true. Always. - pickle MU - 7/8 11:57:57
                              No, he's asking your thoughts on the premise. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:39:24
                                   With that reasoning anything can be claimed as a right and - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:45:23
                                        lol - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:47:58
                                        WHAT? - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:49:32
                                        You are either not reading or ignoring what is said (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 11:49:31
               Of course not. He's happy as a clam being - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:06:18
                    So asking for proof of the central tenant of their argument - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:16:03
                         in your case - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:48:38
                         No. Ignoring information that is presented to you because - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:18:31
                              Not blindly accepting natural rights is ignorance? - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:33:33
                                   and now a straw man. Did you even read ummmm’s post? - pickle MU - 7/8 11:45:31
                                        too many words for him - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:49:28
                                   Again, you have severe reading comprehension problems. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:36:33
                         your reading comprehension sucks (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 11:17:19
          Yes, but you won’t answer a question - pickle MU - 7/8 10:29:17
          have you said what I misstated yet? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 10:21:08
               You wrote a piece of fiction and tried to pass it off as - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:17:17
                    no I didn't - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:29:33
                         you were spot on - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:50:19
     and yet you still post your Von Mistake nonsense(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/8 10:08:37
          Zing. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/8 10:44:44
          "Von Mistake" ??(nm) - miz_zou MU - 7/8 10:20:35
               Yes... Von Mistake(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/8 10:21:25
                    Ahh, I'm bad at nicknames. Assuming you mean Von Mises - miz_zou MU - 7/8 10:53:49
          Like most stupids, he thinks vague makes him seem smart. Nm - hokie VT - 7/8 10:10:55
               like most retards - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:50:59
          ^^^ golf clap ^^^ (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/8 10:09:22
     RE: The ignorance of rights here is astounding - MOCO SON MU - 7/8 10:05:51
     I've seen a lot of liberalism lately on this board. - dangertim MU - 7/8 10:05:10
          Those posters have always held liberal positions when - 90Tiger STL - 7/8 10:43:25
          I think you’re right (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 10:20:12




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