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No that is not the premise that is your belief.

Posted on: July 8, 2020 at 11:31:10 CT
DHighlander NWMSU
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Your are begging the question. The premise you are asking me to accept is simply a restatement of idea of natural rights.

You believe that is the case. But you have offered no proof.

You claim that natural rights are part of our being. I offer most of human history as a counterexample, very few people throughout history have had self-determination and even fewer property rights. How can something integral to our being be absent throughout most of our existence?
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The ignorance of rights here is astounding - pickle MU - 7/8 10:02:40
     that's what happens when the uneducated tards flock - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:35:10
     I know right. Some people think others have the right - JG A - 7/8 12:02:32
     Who cares? - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/8 11:53:47
     Your problem is you can’t distinguish between... - JayRoy KC - 7/8 11:33:51
          ^^^ perfect example of an uneducated tard (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:35:59
     Very eloquent post there pickle... - Logan BAMA - 7/8 10:40:20
     Have you completed that proof of natural rights yet?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 10:16:43
          have you figured out what 'self-evident' means yet? - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:36:39
          Since you won't engage by answering a simple - ummmm MU - 7/8 10:44:30
               Since when does a proof of a logical statement require - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:14:05
                    since when is it so hard to figure out what 'self-evident' - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:37:32
                    You choose to be his píss bucket boy, I simply point out - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:47:40
                         the only thing 'obvious to the rest of us' - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:38:16
                         and now your posting abilities are diminishing - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:53:23
                    why so vulgar? - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:36:44
                    All logical proofs require a premise. The question here is - ummmm MU - 7/8 11:17:34
                         There is one little problem with his statement. People - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:40:18
                              and this is where your logic fails miserably - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:39:14
                              Those rights have always existed, DH - pickle MU - 7/8 11:48:25
                                   Funny how something that has always existed cannot - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:01:19
                                        why do you need a lock on a door to secure things - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 12:08:18
                                             If someone takes them then I don't possess them do I? - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:11:25
                                                  They aren’t taken. I can “take” your life - pickle MU - 7/8 12:33:24
                                                  but they still belong to you - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 12:27:23
                                                       Does owning a car mean anything if someone removes - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:30:29
                                                            Yes (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 13:08:03
                                                            dude (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:44:18
                                                            terrible argument by a terrible person - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:40:33
                                                  Here's your words and beliefs - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:25:53
                                                       Yes, I have any right that I, or someone for me, has the - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:33:27
                                                            wow, you're dumb (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:41:55
                                                            Lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:36:04
                                                  So you're of the belief that we don't have any rights - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:13:22
                                                       I believe that rights are man-made we have the rights we - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:27:46
                                                            People have had their lives taken in most cultures - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:43:45
                                             LOL - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:09:24
                                        Why are you looking at civilizations? - pickle MU - 7/8 12:04:56
                                             Because civilizations are made up of people, people who you - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:20:35
                                                  they are self-evident - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:44:17
                                                  that argument doesn’t make any sense - pickle MU - 7/8 12:31:38
                                        So you have now found fallacy in the magic rights that - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:04:24
                                   He doesn't even understand what willfully ignorant means. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:51:44
                                        he gets destroyed on this topic repeatedly - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:45:23
                                             i can’t believe he’s a teacher - pickle MU - 7/8 13:10:51
                                                  explains a lot about the state of the country (nm) - ashtray UF - 7/8 13:17:28
                                        Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 12:02:35
                    It requires agreement on the premise - pickle MU - 7/8 11:16:47
                         No that is not the premise that is your belief. - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:31:10
                              No, DH. And that’s not what begging the question is - pickle MU - 7/8 11:44:36
                                   No I don't accept that. That has not been true throughout - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:52:44
                                        Then if you don't accept that, who has a superior claim? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:58:28
                                             He is the one trying to prove natural rights. It is on him - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 12:09:29
                                                  you seem like a scared little pussy - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:46:34
                                                  You are saying you don't agree with that belief. He does. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 12:16:19
                                        It has always been true. Always. - pickle MU - 7/8 11:57:57
                              No, he's asking your thoughts on the premise. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:39:24
                                   With that reasoning anything can be claimed as a right and - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:45:23
                                        lol - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:47:58
                                        WHAT? - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:49:32
                                        You are either not reading or ignoring what is said (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 11:49:31
               Of course not. He's happy as a clam being - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:06:18
                    So asking for proof of the central tenant of their argument - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:16:03
                         in your case - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:48:38
                         No. Ignoring information that is presented to you because - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:18:31
                              Not blindly accepting natural rights is ignorance? - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:33:33
                                   and now a straw man. Did you even read ummmm’s post? - pickle MU - 7/8 11:45:31
                                        too many words for him - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:49:28
                                   Again, you have severe reading comprehension problems. - kmawv8 MU - 7/8 11:36:33
                         your reading comprehension sucks (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 11:17:19
          Yes, but you won’t answer a question - pickle MU - 7/8 10:29:17
          have you said what I misstated yet? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 10:21:08
               You wrote a piece of fiction and tried to pass it off as - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/8 11:17:17
                    no I didn't - SwampTiger MU - 7/8 11:29:33
                         you were spot on - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:50:19
     and yet you still post your Von Mistake nonsense(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/8 10:08:37
          Zing. (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/8 10:44:44
          "Von Mistake" ??(nm) - miz_zou MU - 7/8 10:20:35
               Yes... Von Mistake(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/8 10:21:25
                    Ahh, I'm bad at nicknames. Assuming you mean Von Mises - miz_zou MU - 7/8 10:53:49
          Like most stupids, he thinks vague makes him seem smart. Nm - hokie VT - 7/8 10:10:55
               like most retards - ashtray UF - 7/8 12:50:59
          ^^^ golf clap ^^^ (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 7/8 10:09:22
     RE: The ignorance of rights here is astounding - MOCO SON MU - 7/8 10:05:51
     I've seen a lot of liberalism lately on this board. - dangertim MU - 7/8 10:05:10
          Those posters have always held liberal positions when - 90Tiger STL - 7/8 10:43:25
          I think you’re right (nm) - pickle MU - 7/8 10:20:12




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