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But if you leave it up to arbitrary government decisions,

Posted on: April 17, 2020 at 13:00:18 CT
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then you can have laws that endorse the behavior.

Whereas, if it is based on capacity to consent and case-by-case analyses, then it would likely never fall to age 12.

So relying on govt can provide far less protection ultimately.
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I was asked why Libertarianism is not compassionate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 10:55:55
     Hold on, you never asked the question: "Is it okay for a 40 - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:43:07
          this is supposed to be about why he thinks libertarianism - pickle MU - 4/17 12:48:01
          Answer is still "Hell No - never, ever, ever - period" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:45:31
               You never asked that question. You were phrasing it as - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:55:18
                    I am not the least bit emotional - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:56:36
                         your position is 100% emotional - pickle MU - 4/17 12:59:04
                         Yes, the record speaks for itself indeed and you never once - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:58:26
                              The record is clear - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:00:09
                                   you didn't ask if it was "wrong", we were discussing a - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:22:06
                                   You didn't ask those questions. Go back and look. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:00:49
                                        I wholeheartedly stand by the record ummm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:03:32
                                             Then link a post that supports it. - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:06:11
                                                  I never said you wanted people to possess it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:11:31
                                                       I said that mere possession is not a crime. - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:18:17
                                             who is infringed upon and what right is infringed upon - pickle MU - 4/17 13:05:52
               Yet - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:51:11
                    read this, meatiger: - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:24:04
                    Also, as was pointed out to him, there are some nations with - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:56:17
                         There are a host of immoral countries out there ummm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:57:21
                              countries are not immoral or moral (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 13:01:42
                              But if you leave it up to arbitrary government decisions, - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:00:18
                                   One advantage of a Judeo/Christian nation is that it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:02:03
                                        RE: One advantage of a Judeo/Christian nation is that it - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:25:35
                                        Wasn't Mother Mary 14 years old when she was immucately - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:02:48
                                             I have not a clue how old she was - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:04:39
                                                  "couldn't say it was wrong" oh, boy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:26:11
                                                  I said it in this thread: - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:07:20
                                                       I am not being emotional - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:13:06
                                                            I answered your question in this thread in the exact way - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:16:45
                                                                 1:30 conference call - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:26:21
                                                                      Yes, the record is there for all to see. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:30:26
                                                                           I'm not reading all that, just wish he'd respond to my - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 13:47:46
                                                                                he never will - pickle MU - 4/17 13:54:00
                                                                      it didn’t and you keep avoiding the question (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 13:29:50
                                                            you are being emotional - pickle MU - 4/17 13:14:47
                    Just curious to see if I could goad anyone into a sense of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:55:35
     thanks, very little in there about compassion and - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:15:23
          No, I was asked my reasons and I am rock solid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:27:26
               oh, my bad, I thought you were answering my question - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:30:45
               you didn’t answer the question about libertariansim - pickle MU - 4/17 12:29:24
     Libertarians at least on this board are phony baloney - hokie VT - 4/17 11:44:03
          What that really means is that 1) the word has - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:24:04
               it’s defined and talked about constantly - pickle MU - 4/17 12:36:45
               Kind of, but no. The libs and lib'tarians don't want to - hokie VT - 4/17 12:34:51
          what are some of the good ideas of libertarianism? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:10:19
               Its the only label yet that attempts to, and generally does, - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:25:38
                    Adopts the best of conservative and liberal? - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:28:43
                         he might be talking about communism - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:35:58
               Limited government. Not NO GOVERNMENT, limited. nm - hokie VT - 4/17 12:15:17
                    that’s not really an answer (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:19:07
                         I gave the beginning answer.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:26:12
                              See why i don't respond to The Idiot? According to it, you - hokie VT - 4/17 12:45:26
                                   the question was what are some of the good ideas - pickle MU - 4/17 12:46:57
                              i’m sure you think so (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:37:19
                    who here, that you read, calls for no govt? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:16:09
                         The Idiot, your leader and mentor. He has advocated in the - hokie VT - 4/17 12:28:21
                              you said phonies, are there any here other than the one - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:34:27
                                   I said i don't read beyond the subject line. And why doesn' - hokie VT - 4/17 12:41:17
                                        you used "phonies" which is plural - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:48:44
                                             So you're not going to answer why The Idiot doesn't count?nm - hokie VT - 4/17 13:02:37
                                                  because you don’t read my posts - pickle MU - 4/17 13:09:16
                                        oh dear (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:45:48
                              “who here, THAT YOU READ...” (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:30:00
          You saw just how committed they were until faced with the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:45:51
               you don’t read my posts, remember? - pickle MU - 4/17 11:47:57
     No matter what the topic if you only see absolutes there - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:41:06
          Not true at all - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:45:54
          every single one of your sentences is an absolute (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 11:43:17
               Here is an absolute - You are a complete idiot. Here is one - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:47:39
     These are the parents that let their kids do what they want - TigerFan92 MU - 4/17 11:35:39
          But parents that go to the other extreme also screw up - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:43:57
               Well sure. Limits provide safety for them. But without love - TigerFan92 MU - 4/17 11:51:16
                    The only people who claim to know how to parent perfectly - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:55:43
          Libertarians want a system that denies the moral - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:38:45
               that’s both ignorant and a lie (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 11:39:57
     The 5 cycles of grief and loss - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:24:44
          I explained here why I could never buy into a political - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:33:37
               "abdicates moral authority" =/= "isn't based on god" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:14:06
                    If you wish to think men not having sex with 12 year olds is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:28:36
                         Not referring to that 4Tigs, speaking in general about - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:31:20
                              See how you are the one often intent on bringing God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:35:29
               Abdicates moral authority - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:40:12
                    I will state again, I believe there to be a moral component - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:44:14
                         How do you account - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:48:28
                              A society that does not have a commonly understood - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:52:54
                                   Code of moral behavior - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:30:38
                                   well there’s another lie (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 11:55:00
                         you have yet to explain how it is not compassionate (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 11:46:11
               you didn’t. you began with an ignorant mischaracterization - pickle MU - 4/17 11:35:19
     none of that explains why you think libertarianism - pickle MU - 4/17 11:10:34
     Are you a TB shill? 50 pages of posts in 11 days? Nicks wife - miz_zou MU - 4/17 11:05:42
     So you think - meatiger MU - 4/17 10:59:59
          No one stepped in to contradict the position it was OK - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:02:13
               everyone did, 4Tigs, you chose to not see it and instead - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:21:54
                    The threads are there - show me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:34:33
                    he’s avoiding answering why he thinks libertarianism - pickle MU - 4/17 11:24:03
                         he believes there is only one pathway to being moral - - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:26:20
               everyone did (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 11:11:01
               actually yes they did - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:05:49
                    The answer is not "I think it's disgusting" or "I can't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:11:52
                         90Tiger, ummm, and Pickle were very clear - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:14:47
                              If a 40 year old man is having sex with a 12 year old girl - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:17:18
                                   as would everyone else, you're missing the entire concep - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:22:44
                                        What I was missing was you simply stating it is NEVER - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:35:54
                                             so substitute 14 or 16 or 17 in your critical statement - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:52:59
                                                  I stated it as I did for a reason - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:59:47
                                                       it's not a "moral void" - it just shows you want arbitrary a - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:03:36
                                                            I actually did want to hear that - for many threads and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:05:11
                                                                 straw man - pickle MU - 4/17 12:07:15
                                                                      yes, correct. that is why fester was attacked (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:08:23
                                                                 Are you going to continue to ignore the question? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:06:06
                                                                      The question is why I reject libertarianism - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:07:08
                                                                           are you going to state with clarity no 16 year old, - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:10:03
                                                                                I said elsewhere I believe it entirely possible a 16 or 17 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:11:51
                                                                                     “12-year old charged with capital murder” - Texas - pickle MU - 4/17 12:15:38
                                                                                     lol, so you don't care whit about stripping anyone's - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:15:14
                                                                                     “Florida boy, 12, charged as an adult in brother’s murder” - pickle MU - 4/17 12:14:41
                                                                           no. the question is why you think it’s not compassionate (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:07:48
                                                       you have lied this entire thread - pickle MU - 4/17 12:01:13
                                             yes, you tried to derail the topic - pickle MU - 4/17 11:39:27
                                                  yup. and i tried in vain to keep it on track. he was - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:47:42
                                                       You see it as a gotcha - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:01:24
                                                            I have moral clarity, 4Tigs. It isn't based on a date of - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:06:39
                                                                 And although you lied about it through last night - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:09:13
                                                                      The define it. you're dodging. How about 13? 14? 15? 16? - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:10:56
                                                                           There is no glowing line - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:26:34
                                                                                so you don't think there is a line, but want to set a line - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:35:27
                                                                                     I believe there is a moral obligation to protect the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:36:53
                                                                                          more straw (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 14:09:33
                                                                                          another straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 4/17 12:38:02
                                                                                so you don't think there is a line, but you personall - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:33:00
                                                                                yet you spent an hour yesterday demanding objective - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:31:58
                                                                                     I asked what your line would be since you could not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:38:17
                                   Is it OK if the guy is younger than 40?(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 4/17 11:22:38
                                   huh?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:21:26
                                        he’s saying it’s always a violation of rights - pickle MU - 4/17 11:26:07
                                             yep. he spent an hour trying to get me to say that - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:28:20
                                                  just can’t get past the emotion to be objective - pickle MU - 4/17 11:31:38
                                   you’re only showing your misunderstanding of rights - pickle MU - 4/17 11:18:48




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