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I was asked why Libertarianism is not compassionate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 10:55:55

Hold on, you never asked the question: "Is it okay for a 40 - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:43:07

this is supposed to be about why he thinks libertarianism - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:48:01

Answer is still "Hell No - never, ever, ever - period" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:45:31

You never asked that question. You were phrasing it as - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:55:18

I am not the least bit emotional - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:56:36

your position is 100% emotional - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:59:04

Yes, the record speaks for itself indeed and you never once - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:58:26

The record is clear - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:00:09

you didn't ask if it was "wrong", we were discussing a - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:22:06

You didn't ask those questions. Go back and look. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:00:49

I wholeheartedly stand by the record ummm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:03:32

Then link a post that supports it. - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:06:11

I never said you wanted people to possess it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:11:31

I said that mere possession is not a crime. - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:18:17

who is infringed upon and what right is infringed upon - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:05:52

Yet - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:51:11

read this, meatiger: - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:24:04

Also, as was pointed out to him, there are some nations with - ummmm MU - 4/17 12:56:17

There are a host of immoral countries out there ummm - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:57:21

countries are not immoral or moral (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:01:42

But if you leave it up to arbitrary government decisions, - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:00:18

One advantage of a Judeo/Christian nation is that it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:02:03

RE: One advantage of a Judeo/Christian nation is that it - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:25:35

Wasn't Mother Mary 14 years old when she was immucately - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:02:48

I have not a clue how old she was - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:04:39

"couldn't say it was wrong" oh, boy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 13:26:11

I said it in this thread: - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:07:20

I am not being emotional - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:13:06

I answered your question in this thread in the exact way - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:16:45

1:30 conference call - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 13:26:21

Yes, the record is there for all to see. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/17 13:30:26

I'm not reading all that, just wish he'd respond to my - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 13:47:46

he never will - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:54:00

it didn’t and you keep avoiding the question (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:29:50

you are being emotional - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:14:47

Just curious to see if I could goad anyone into a sense of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:55:35

thanks, very little in there about compassion and - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:15:23

No, I was asked my reasons and I am rock solid - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:27:26

oh, my bad, I thought you were answering my question - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:30:45

you didn’t answer the question about libertariansim - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:29:24

Libertarians at least on this board are phony baloney - hokie VT - 4/17 11:44:03

What that really means is that 1) the word has - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:24:04

it’s defined and talked about constantly - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:36:45

Kind of, but no. The libs and lib'tarians don't want to - hokie VT - 4/17 12:34:51

what are some of the good ideas of libertarianism? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:10:19

Its the only label yet that attempts to, and generally does, - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:25:38

Adopts the best of conservative and liberal? - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:28:43

he might be talking about communism - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:35:58

Limited government. Not NO GOVERNMENT, limited. nm - hokie VT - 4/17 12:15:17

that’s not really an answer (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:19:07

I gave the beginning answer.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 4/17 12:26:12

See why i don't respond to The Idiot? According to it, you - hokie VT - 4/17 12:45:26

the question was what are some of the good ideas - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:46:57

i’m sure you think so (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:37:19

who here, that you read, calls for no govt? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:16:09

The Idiot, your leader and mentor. He has advocated in the - hokie VT - 4/17 12:28:21

you said phonies, are there any here other than the one - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:34:27

I said i don't read beyond the subject line. And why doesn' - hokie VT - 4/17 12:41:17

you used "phonies" which is plural - SwampTiger MU - 4/17 12:48:44

So you're not going to answer why The Idiot doesn't count?nm - hokie VT - 4/17 13:02:37

because you don’t read my posts - pickle MU

- 4/17 13:09:16

oh dear (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:45:48

“who here, THAT YOU READ...” (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:30:00

You saw just how committed they were until faced with the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:45:51

you don’t read my posts, remember? - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:47:57

No matter what the topic if you only see absolutes there - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:41:06

Not true at all - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:45:54

every single one of your sentences is an absolute (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:43:17

Here is an absolute - You are a complete idiot. Here is one - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:47:39

These are the parents that let their kids do what they want - TigerFan92 MU - 4/17 11:35:39

But parents that go to the other extreme also screw up - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:43:57

Well sure. Limits provide safety for them. But without love - TigerFan92 MU - 4/17 11:51:16

The only people who claim to know how to parent perfectly - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/17 11:55:43

Libertarians want a system that denies the moral - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:38:45

that’s both ignorant and a lie (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:39:57

The 5 cycles of grief and loss - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:24:44

I explained here why I could never buy into a political - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:33:37

"abdicates moral authority" =/= "isn't based on god" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:14:06

If you wish to think men not having sex with 12 year olds is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:28:36

Not referring to that 4Tigs, speaking in general about - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:31:20

See how you are the one often intent on bringing God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:35:29

Abdicates moral authority - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:40:12

I will state again, I believe there to be a moral component - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:44:14

How do you account - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:48:28

A society that does not have a commonly understood - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:52:54

Code of moral behavior - meatiger MU - 4/17 12:30:38

well there’s another lie (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:55:00

you have yet to explain how it is not compassionate (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:46:11

you didn’t. you began with an ignorant mischaracterization - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:35:19

none of that explains why you think libertarianism - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:10:34

Are you a TB shill? 50 pages of posts in 11 days? Nicks wife - miz_zou MU - 4/17 11:05:42

So you think - meatiger MU - 4/17 10:59:59

No one stepped in to contradict the position it was OK - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:02:13

everyone did, 4Tigs, you chose to not see it and instead - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:21:54

The threads are there - show me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:34:33

he’s avoiding answering why he thinks libertarianism - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:24:03

he believes there is only one pathway to being moral - - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:26:20

everyone did (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:11:01

actually yes they did - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:05:49

The answer is not "I think it's disgusting" or "I can't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:11:52

90Tiger, ummm, and Pickle were very clear - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:14:47

If a 40 year old man is having sex with a 12 year old girl - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:17:18

as would everyone else, you're missing the entire concep - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:22:44

What I was missing was you simply stating it is NEVER - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:35:54

so substitute 14 or 16 or 17 in your critical statement - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:52:59

I stated it as I did for a reason - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 11:59:47

it's not a "moral void" - it just shows you want arbitrary a - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:03:36

I actually did want to hear that - for many threads and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:05:11

straw man - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:07:15

yes, correct. that is why fester was attacked (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:08:23

Are you going to continue to ignore the question? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:06:06

The question is why I reject libertarianism - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:07:08

are you going to state with clarity no 16 year old, - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:10:03

I said elsewhere I believe it entirely possible a 16 or 17 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:11:51

“12-year old charged with capital murder” - Texas - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:15:38

lol, so you don't care whit about stripping anyone's - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:15:14

“Florida boy, 12, charged as an adult in brother’s murder” - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:14:41

no. the question is why you think it’s not compassionate (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:07:48

you have lied this entire thread - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:01:13

yes, you tried to derail the topic - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:39:27

yup. and i tried in vain to keep it on track. he was - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:47:42

You see it as a gotcha - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:01:24

I have moral clarity, 4Tigs. It isn't based on a date of - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:06:39

And although you lied about it through last night - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:09:13

The define it. you're dodging. How about 13? 14? 15? 16? - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:10:56

There is no glowing line - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:26:34

so you don't think there is a line, but want to set a line - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:35:27

I believe there is a moral obligation to protect the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:36:53

more straw (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 14:09:33

another straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/17 12:38:02

so you don't think there is a line, but you personall - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:33:00

yet you spent an hour yesterday demanding objective - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 12:31:58

I asked what your line would be since you could not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/17 12:38:17

Is it OK if the guy is younger than 40?(nm) - Mo Texan MU - 4/17 11:22:38

huh?(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/17 11:21:26

he’s saying it’s always a violation of rights - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:26:07

yep. he spent an hour trying to get me to say that - 90Tiger STL - 4/17 11:28:20

just can’t get past the emotion to be objective - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:31:38

you’re only showing your misunderstanding of rights - pickle MU

- 4/17 11:18:48

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