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This is the time you learn about who values rights and who

Posted on: April 16, 2020 at 08:12:49 CT

4TigersinMichigan MU

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actually believes in government granted privileges that can be restricted or eliminated the moment they or others are scared enough of something and desire to be protected by others.

Not just talking about people on this board but more importantly in your family, in your community, among your friend groups. Remember this time and how people are acting and what they are advocating. It is a very instructive time, and how people act now should never be forgotten. This is when people truly reveal their beliefs.

Edited by 4TigersinMichigan at 08:13:38 on 04/16/20

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This is the time you learn about who values rights and who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:12:49

I've informed my wife and two adult daughter's who have... - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:05:32

You were semi-correct at least - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:08:30

Without the media, we have no panic or shutdown. On paper.. - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:14:51

You thought, but you aren't - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:22:52

To pickle's point, I hope you use this event to evaluate - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 08:32:28

what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/16 08:59:51

RE: what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:04

I was encouraged that he seems to be coming ‘round - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:39:05

Looking below, that does not seem the case(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:33:38

cool (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:33

I hope you truly examine that in all areas (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:19:27

When this is over, you should apply this sentiment to other - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:17:04

What is the war on drugs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:18:33

It's the multi-govt effort to control the production, - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:20:03

I am all for working to limit the production and flow of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:21:34

only if you decide that "drugs" aren't property and - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:04:19

It is 100% an infringement on rights - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:30:21

So closing a bar - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:25:35

There are times when they can and should close a bar(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:27:51

No (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:31:21

Sorry man. But this post doesn't cotton with your OP. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:22:58

I disagree rather strongly(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:23:32

Well, you’re wrong. It’s not a matter of disagreement - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:30:57

It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:26:09

I can show you where we have protected rights to religion, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:06

It's property. That's all that matters. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:33:07

They are property rights - a natural right (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:32:07

Natural rights to life, liberty, and property cover it. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:31:44

So you are likely one of those who don't oppose things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:33:54

I oppose the possession of child pornography. - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:01

That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:39:25

RE: That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:42:55

Why should that be the case ummmm? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:43:53

Why should what be the case? There were multiple issues - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:46:44

So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:48:48

RE: So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:50:41

Should there be any laws against adults and children having - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:52:27

RE: Should there be any laws against adults and children having - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:55:48

Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:57:14

There’s no squishiness here. (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:01:48

RE: Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:01:20

It is a completely subjective standard that has to be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:28:09

Because you challenged that with drug enforcement I was - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:03:18

The only one placing limits on rights here is you - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:06:41

And I clearly do. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:05:29

So at what age does a child not have liberty to have sex - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:06:40

there isn't one (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:10:49

recognize that every one is a unique individual - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:08:25

I don't know. It's an unanswerable question in a general - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:08:15

Why should there be any limit? Start there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:15:59

I've answered all of your questions here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:17:35

If rights are unalienable there should be no limits on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:19:53

and there aren’t any (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 10:32:09

Inalienable means they cannot be taken away. It doesn't - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:23:07

But you cannot, nor can anyone else, explain how that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:26:25

wow...we went from the drug war - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:41:13

Will you answer the question? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:42:35

I have not gotten that far yet - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:45:28

What do you mean you aren't there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:47:30

They do have that right - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:54:35

Very interesting. You believe a school teacher has the - *M* KC - 4/16 09:02:52

*M*, i couldn’t have any less respect for you than i do - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:11:19

There is all types of equivocating on that issue in this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:04:23

all types? who are you referring to? Name them (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:12:46

Because I think some things are still very disgusting - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:50:07

How disgusting does something need to be in order - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:08:46

Disgusting isn’t the barometer (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:11:51

So life and liberty are good until you find something - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:53:32

That’s a straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:56:42

Do you agree with juveniles being charged as adults? - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:44:54

why are you trying to change the subject? (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:40:41

Possession can only be for the tangible - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:37:56

My advice - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:37:04

Yeah, we're all the way out on the fringes when it comes - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:40

Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:40:58

Yes. There are items that are harder to support from a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:44:40

Thanks for the quote - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:47:33

Now apply it to the inside trader - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:57:40

So what is your answer since you are here to preach - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:46:03

It's an unanswerable question with countless variables. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:48:44

Give it a try? Should adults and those under 18 be free - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:49:57

there is no blanket age, all people are unique (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:17:18

So how does anyone set a standard? Where does liberty end?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:22:03

Of course. are you aware that gvmt has consent laws - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:52:27

Again, it's an unanswerable question with countless - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:51:29

Direct question - should a 40 year old man be able to have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:55:06

It’s a poor assumption and understanding. Drop “should” (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:56:06

Answered above. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:56:04

Not really - you are suddenly squishy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:58:13

You're poorly phrasing your questions. I'm doing my best to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:02:14

Direct question - why should there be any age restrictions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:05:28

What do you mean by restrictions? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:06:35

this is you being obtuse again - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 09:07:29

No, I don't. Please explain what it means. - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:09:39

At what age does one have the liberty to have sex with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:16

So why are you willing to limit life and liberty? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:54:26

There are limits on actions based on the non-aggression - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:57:07

This isn't aggressive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:59:14

Yes, it is. If the 12 year did not have the capacity to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:03:05

Who determines that subjective standard?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:56

I answered that here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:10:35

My turn to ask a question: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:11:03

I believe that to be too young - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:14:44

Would you be satisfied with it? That was the question. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:16:23

No, I would not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:18:38

There are national govts with age of consent laws - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:21:40

You haven't answered with anything that is even remotely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:23:21

It's right here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:25:16

That is a completely subjective standard that must be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:29:24

Where do you think age of consent laws come from? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:34:58

I am not asking for the state's definition - I am asking - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:40:21

He isn’t suggesting or advocating limiting them (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:55:03

This is how the whole park thing started - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:43:26

My advice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:38:29

It’s an open forum (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:39:47

And if you're saying that we get our rights from govt, then - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:32:30

it was - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:41:52

Letting go of the power structure is a process - ashtray UF - 4/16 08:42:47

RE: It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:29:22

Nope, it is still a forward looking goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:46

Other than for those who hope to produce or use them - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:22:24

The irony - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:15:01

I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:17:25

RE: I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:23:54

And you just demonstrated that challenge remains ahead of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:25:56

And yesterday Pickle gave you credit - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:28:48

Perhaps one day someone will say the same of you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:31:31