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straight from the article in my post

Posted on: December 8, 2019 at 08:57:44 CT
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The “general welfare” clause comes under scrutiny first. McClanahan finds no evidence that the broad interpretation one encounters today was part of the stated intention of the Constitution’s supporters, and it is to them, Thomas Jefferson said, that we are to look for proper interpretation.

James Madison, for instance, noted that the Articles of Confederation had included an appeal to the “general welfare,” and no one had taken this to mean the Confederation government had thereby been granted an open-ended authority to legislate on matters other than the ones expressly delegated to it in that document. Moreover, said Madison, a broad interpretation of the clause would have rendered the specific enumeration of powers in Article I, Section 8 nugatory and absurd.

It was Connecticut’s Roger Sherman who moved that the phrase be added, so McClanahan seeks out Sherman’s view of what constituted the general welfare. In June 1787, Sherman said: “The objects of the Union … were few—first, defence against foreign danger; second, against internal disputes and a resort to force; thirdly, treaties with foreign nations; fourthly, regulating foreign commerce, and drawing revenue from it. … All other matters, civil and criminal, would be much better in the hands of the states.”

That, for Sherman, was the “general welfare and common defense.”



also, what do you think the states are? why do you not understand that they are independent and sovereign?

Edited by pickle at 08:59:43 on 12/08/19
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How To Read the Constitution - pickle MU - 12/8 08:21:13
     RE: How To Read the Constitution - 90Tiger STL - 12/8 09:37:11
          OTOH, Roger never saw two political parties who were - GA Tiger MU - 12/8 10:23:23
               gat, you may be the least knowledgeable person on this - 90Tiger STL - 12/8 10:44:49
                    Really. Then you must mean he HAD seen that. - GA Tiger MU - 12/8 12:39:21
                    he's read quite a bit on the topic (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/8 11:24:47
                    he is one (nm) - pickle MU - 12/8 10:47:49
               do you not know anything about England and its factions, - pickle MU - 12/8 10:40:14
               RE: OTOH, Roger never saw two political parties who were - pickle MU - 12/8 10:38:37
                    Good quote by Adams. But how ironic that your own - GA Tiger MU - 12/8 12:12:25
               Federalists vs. Anti-federalists? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/8 10:27:21
                    GAT personally knew Hamilton (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/8 10:34:22
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 12/8 10:31:12
     If the phrase "general welfare" was intended to apply - GA Tiger MU - 12/8 08:39:03
          straight from the article in my post - pickle MU - 12/8 08:57:44
               I think what GAT is saying is: "who cares what the writers - ummmm MU - 12/8 09:09:47
                    that's precisely what he means (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/8 09:38:29
          Yeah, in 2019, when you have to lower your voice in public - ummmm MU - 12/8 08:48:16
               I clearly exaggerated, but given my point, at the end of - GA Tiger MU - 12/8 09:01:02
                    Most likely, slavery would have died out as it had done in - ummmm MU - 12/8 09:12:29
                         You familiar with the foundation of Haiti? - MrBlueSky MU - 12/8 09:37:53
                              By the way, which one have you decided to go with first? - ummmm MU - 12/8 09:44:01
                              The US was way ahead of Haiti and Brazil with respect - ummmm MU - 12/8 09:42:57
                              did haiti industrialize in the latter half of the 19th centu - 90Tiger STL - 12/8 09:39:39
                         as well as abolitionist movements and changing views (nm) - pickle MU - 12/8 09:20:24




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