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Posted on: November 26, 2019 at 16:26:18 CT
Hamdogg KC
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In sum, the court’s letter and various public statements, as well as the statistical evidence, show that FISA applications are subjected to exacting scrutiny; the FISA Court is not a rubber stamp. And they show that this scrutiny is effectuated in many ways, most of them informal—e.g., regular or ad-hoc telephone calls and meetings between the Court and the government—rather than more formal hearings. The absence of a “hearing” on the Carter Page FISAs does not in any way suggest that the FISA Court treated the applications casually or carelessly.
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Andy McCarthy warns of the new dem narrative - Sal MU - 11/26 14:25:59
     Of course it is reason to investigate - raskolnikov MU - 11/26 15:25:28
          it's a reason to investigate RUSSIA. it's not a reason to - blake1771 MU - 11/26 19:17:53
          Is there any reasn to investigate biden? Any at all? Nm - hokie VT - 11/26 15:28:53
               I have heard of nothing, but you tell me - raskolnikov MU - 11/26 15:58:25
                    How about this? - TigerMatt STL - 11/26 19:07:19
                    RE: I have heard of nothing, but you tell me - MOCO SON MU - 11/26 16:01:17
                         he has a pretty clean rep, bro (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:16:59
                              Other than the plagiarism and puffery? - Spanky KU - 11/26 16:50:10
               Hell yes, there is - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:34:28
     Simpson and his Fusion GPS partner are doing a book tour - MUTGR MU - 11/26 14:58:05
     Repeating the same lie over and over won't make us - playhard NWMSU - 11/26 14:49:15
          RE: Repeating: Repeatedly denying the significane of - BH O'bonga MU - 11/26 15:08:41
               It's probably safe to add another dozen countries to that - Sal MU - 11/26 15:10:49
          So it's OK for a country to pick a side - Sal MU - 11/26 14:52:07
               That is actually not what happened - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:22:44
                    Fiona Hill even admitted it - Sal MU - 11/26 15:24:25
                         To do....(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:32:31
                              Dig up dirt on Trump (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 15:36:25
                                   You're lying again (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:37:10
                                        What is the lie? (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 15:37:26
                                             Showing criminal activity by Trump's campaign manager= - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:39:00
                                                  you lack self awareness...do you even understand - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:07:09
                                                  Isn't that what Trump was doing? - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:47:42
                                                  For the purpose to influence the election, yes - Sal MU - 11/26 15:41:01
                                                       No. You are again conflating things - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:50:48
                                                            So it is OK to ask a foreign gov't - Sal MU - 11/26 15:54:09
                                                                 no, it depends on what party and which candidate to Mr. - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:07:49
                         So writing an op-ed is meddling? - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:27:24
                              Ukraine didn't just "write an op-ed" (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 15:29:31
                                   What did they do? (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:33:08
                                        Ukrainian officials routinely met with both Chalupa - Sal MU - 11/26 15:36:18
                                             Excuse my ignorance, but I don't know what you're talking - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:46:21
                                                  They're the firm that HRC's campaign hired - Sal MU - 11/26 16:16:52
                                                  You should get up to speed on fusion GPS and all of this. T - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:08:43
                                                       Sorry, I've spent the last two years - ashtray UF - 11/26 16:13:51
                                                            I only tune in for entertainment. Hope grad school went - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:14:35
                                                                 It's over - ashtray UF - 11/26 16:15:20
                                                                      Nice work! (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 16:17:13
                                                                      cool! Congratulations! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:16:16
     so its not ok to run surveillance operations on US citizens? - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 14:40:00
          This, after whatever deliberation you conducted, is your - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 14:52:02
          Russian meddling isn't cause to spy on an American - Sal MU - 11/26 14:43:58
               Proof of complicity nm - justwinbaby KC - 11/26 15:12:06
               Or at least probable cause (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/26 14:55:14
                    so you mean like a FISA warrant? (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 15:03:40
                         lmfao, hamdogg. the FISA warrant was issued based on - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:09:31
                         The FISA warrant was issued based on falsified - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:05:29
                              oh really is that what the court determined? (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 15:33:53
                                   that isn't the purview of the FISC. They don't evaluate - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:10:56
                                        that second statement seems to apply to you (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:13:01
                                             oh - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:17:22
                                   The FISC doesn't verify the information brought to - Sal MU - 11/26 15:37:09
                                        so is your point that US citizens can or cannot be - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 15:42:36
                                             w/o probable cause and the resulting legal warrant? No!! And - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:11:42
                                                  a FISA warrant is PC (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:12:21
                                                       no, a FISA warrant is ISSUED based on PC and the - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:15:51
                                                            now we go down the semantics trail - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:23:32
                                                                 It's not semantics - Sal MU - 11/26 16:30:47
                                                                      is lying on a FISA application a crime? (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:32:49
                                                                           I'd assume so since the FBI lawyer who was on - Sal MU - 11/26 16:34:51
                                                                                investigation? I thought the lie has been proven. Why - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:36:16
                                                                           yes (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:33:16
                                                                                has anyone been charged for this lie you just know to be - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:34:09
                                                                                     RE: has anyone been charged for this lie you just know to be - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:36:00
                                                                                          so you know it was falsified. Sal knows it was falsified - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:37:24
                                                                                               Your initial statement was a FISA warrant is PC - Sal MU - 11/26 16:40:37
                                                                                                    lol (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:42:05
                                                                                                    he's chasing any leaf that falls at this point, sal. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:41:59
                                                                                                         sounds like you are rather emotional about something - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:45:08
                                                                                                              I thought most people had a good grasp - Sal MU - 11/26 16:46:51
                                                                                                                   he doesn't have a hand anywhere near the topic, let - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 17:00:38
                                                                                               this isn't a revelation; this is one of the reasons - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:39:22
                                                                                                    the investigation that has yet to prove anything? - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:41:47
                                                                                                         Do you recall stating that a FISA warrant being issued - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:42:57
                                                                                                         Do you? (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 16:42:08
                                                                 that isn't semantics - having a FISA warrant issued on - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:26:18
                                                                      please prove it was issued on false evidence (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:30:01
                                                                 The FISA warrant application was falsified - ashtray UF - 11/26 16:24:33
                                                                      we are dealing in the real world not your conspiracy - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:25:12
                                                                           That's not a conspiracy theory - ashtray UF - 11/26 16:27:02
                                                                                no, it isn't. (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:29:18
                                                                           holy mother of god (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:26:35
                                             Without PC? Absolutely not (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 15:43:02
                                                  he thinks he's a "liberal", sal. can you imagine being - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:12:13
                                                  FISA warrants are PC (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:12:03
                                                       No, one would assume there is PC if - Sal MU - 11/26 16:21:03
                                                            so then you are against surveillance of US citizens - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:22:26
                                                                 holy leap of logic and red herring. No, he's simply stating - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:25:21
                                                                 How are you coming to this conclusion? (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 16:23:00
                                                                      you are saying FISA warrants don't constitute PC - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:24:34
                                                                           no, he's saying the SPECIFIC FISA WARRANT ISSUED - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:27:47
                                                                                but it wasn't (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:29:39
                                                                                     How do you know? (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 16:31:24
                                                                                          ha ha, how do you know it was? This is great (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:32:28
                                                                                               Well, if the leak is true we know of one - Sal MU - 11/26 16:35:52
                                                                                                    if? you said it was falsified. (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:39:18
                                                                                                         No, I'm simply stating a FISA warrant isn't PC (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 16:41:19
                                                                                               you're going to wish you hadn't asked a question to which - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:35:52
                                                                                                    so the independent org said the FISA was still good? - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:38:52
                                                                                                         Even if it's good, it doesn't mean a FISA warrant is PC - Sal MU - 11/26 16:41:55
                                                                                                         translation: "an opinion we could share with idiot re - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:41:32
                                                                           No, especially if the information given to the FISC - Sal MU - 11/26 16:26:50
                                                                           Wait... - ashtray UF - 11/26 16:25:25
                                                  Yeah, there was no PC. You're right - MrBlueSky MU - 11/26 15:51:35
                                                       uh, none of that was the basis for the FISA warrant and - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:13:11
                                                       Russian contacts =/= PC (nm) - Sal MU - 11/26 15:52:21
                                   The FBI lawyer altered the application, didn't he? (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:35:16
                                        Was the warrant issued? Did the court ever find it was - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 15:41:40
                                             the court doesn't verify the info presented - it determines - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:14:02
                                                  yes they do - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:21:09
                                                       who do you think does this and how long did it take for - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:28:51
                                                       The FISC does not verify information presented to them - Sal MU - 11/26 16:26:00
                                                            his entire view of this entire situation is predicated on - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:29:58
                                             Yes it was issued - ashtray UF - 11/26 15:51:04
                                             It's not the court's job - Sal MU - 11/26 15:42:17
                                                  this is patently ridiculous (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:13:34
                                                       It's ridiculous to trust the information - Sal MU - 11/26 16:18:38
                                                            its ridiculous that you think that is all they do (nm) - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:20:29
                                                                 So your position is that the FISC judges have teams of - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:22:29
                                                                      they don't just review the material - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:26:18
                                                                           They rely solely on the information provided to them - Sal MU - 11/26 16:29:11
                                                                                he won't accept any facts, sal. he has his beliefs and - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:36:43
                                                                                     yeah this is just beliefs - Hamdogg KC - 11/26 16:39:52
                                                                                          I read that entire piece earlier. Can you point out the - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 16:46:39
                                                                                          Um, there is nothing in that article - Sal MU - 11/26 16:46:09
                                                                                               but he googled it and read 11 words! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/26 17:01:05
                         a FISA warrant isn't PC - Sal MU - 11/26 15:05:09
          lol Jesus(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/26 14:42:25




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