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Posted on: November 12, 2019 at 15:47:52 CT
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https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544266880/confederate-statues-were-built-to-further-a-white-supremacist-future

Yet many historians say the argument about preserving Southern history doesn't hold up when you consider the timing of when the "beautiful" statues, as Trump called them, went up.

"Most of the people who were involved in erecting the monuments were not necessarily erecting a monument to the past," said Jane Dailey, an associate professor of history at the University of Chicago."But were rather, erecting them toward a white supremacist future."

The most recent comprehensive study of Confederate statues and monuments across the country was published by the Southern Poverty Law Center last year. A look at this chart shows huge spikes in construction twice during the 20th century: in the early 1900s, and then again in the 1950s and 60s. Both were times of extreme civil rights tension.

James Grossman, the executive director of the American Historical Association, says that the increase in statues and monuments was clearly meant to send a message.

"These statues were meant to create legitimate garb for white supremacy," Grossman said. "Why would you put a statue of Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson in 1948 in Baltimore?"

Grossman was referencing the four statues that came down earlier this week in the city. After the violence in Charlottesville, Va., when a counterprotester was killed while demonstrating, and the action in Durham, N.C., where a crowd pulled down a Confederate statue themselves, the mayor of Baltimore ordered that city to remove its statues in the dead of night.

"Who erects a statue of former Confederate generals on the very heels of fighting and winning a war for democracy?" writes Dailey, in a piece for HuffPost, referencing the just-ended World War II. "People who want to send a message to black veterans, the Supreme Court, and the president of the United States, that's who."

To build Confederate statues, says Dailey, in public spaces, near government buildings, and especially in front of court houses, was a "power play" meant to intimidate those looking to come to the "seat of justice or the seat of the law."
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     RE: MrBlueSky: what is the "specific purpose" ? - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 15:19:03
          Oh, so not participation trophies. - ummmm MU - 11/12 15:31:36
               RE: Oh, so not participation trophies. - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 15:47:52
                    Oh, so just speculation - ummmm MU - 11/12 15:57:03
                         Yes, let's call Doc Brown and borrow his time machine - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 16:03:24
                              Or how about we don't make baseless accusations? (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:04:22
                                   It's not baseless in the least - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 16:07:17
                                        Why was a WWII built in 2004? (nm) - pickle MU - 11/12 16:10:52
                                             A law was passed in 2000(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 16:13:58
                                                  what motivation is there to build a war memorial - pickle MU - 11/12 16:19:34
                                             To intimidate Japanese people from visiting DC. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:12:25
                                        I don't know the motivations, but I'm not the one making - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:09:22
                                             Nothing at all wild about my claims. - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 16:10:50
                                                  All you have, all you ever have, is emotion - pickle MU - 11/12 16:20:44
                                                  this is JG-esque; take any notion you have and then - 90Tiger STL - 11/12 16:14:02
                                                  You have no support for your claims except for speculation - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:12:01
                                                  Except you’re talking out your ass. Three words for you - pickle MU - 11/12 16:11:58
               They are the original participation trophy.. - Da_Haze KC - 11/12 15:46:24
                    that graph tells me nothing - pickle MU - 11/12 16:08:16
                    So the spike in the early 1900s was because the NAACP - ummmm MU - 11/12 15:58:16
                         NAACP formed as a result of Jim Crow era laws. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/12 16:02:30
                              Okay. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:05:53
                         Uh.... I would say it would be due to Jim Crow laws... - Da_Haze KC - 11/12 15:59:48
                              Jim Crow started earlier than 1890 and the large spike - ummmm MU - 11/12 16:05:46
               i hope so (nm) - pickle MU - 11/12 15:39:48




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