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Posted on: December 25, 2018 at 21:52:46 CT
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There are a vast number who spoke with Him while He was on earth, each being an eyewitness, and told others about Him.

You clearly don't understand the culture at the time. You don't understand what people gave up to make an open statement of faith in Christ.

This was no childish word game of gotcha. It meant meant being ostracized by the Temple rulers and family and being stripped of land and possessions, and death for their relationship.


"Every person in the Roman Empire, no matter what their religion, was supposed to honor the Roman emperor as a god. If they would do that—once a year burn a little incense in front of a statue and say, “Caesar is god!”—they were okay and could go on home and mind their own business for another year.

But, of course, Christians refused to do this. They knew there was only one God, and to say anything or anyone else was a god would be a betrayal of their friendship with God. When they stood true and when they refused to honor false gods or the emperor as a god, the Christians got into trouble. Big trouble.

They were put in jail—dark, terrible dungeons. They were sent into exile to desolate islands where they were forced to work in mines. And worst of all, if they were really stubborn and still wouldn’t deny their friendship with Jesus, they were put to death."



https://www.loyolapress.com/our-catholic-faith/saints/saints-stories-for-all-ages/early-christian-martyrs


"In his “Dialogue with Trypho” (cx), the apologist, after alluding to the fortitude of his brethren in religion, adds, “for it is plain that, though beheaded, and crucified, and thrown to wild beasts, and chains, and fire, and all other kinds of torture, we do not give up our confession; but, the more such things happen, the more do others in larger numbers become faithful. . . . Every Christian has been driven out not only from his own property, but even from the whole world; for you permit no Christian to live.” Tertullian also, writing towards the end of the second century, frequently alludes to the terrible conditions under which Christians existed(“Ad martyres”, “Apologia”, “Ad Nationes”, etc.): death and torture were ever present possibilities."

http://www.primeroscristianos.com/en/christian-martyrs-in-the-roman-empire/
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     They went to Bethleham for a census - Spanky KU - 12/25 12:03:49
          You're right, yet the main point stands. They weren't poor, - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 12:28:26
               Yep... he had the money, but there was no room at the Inn - Spanky KU - 12/25 12:34:48
                    You were right to point out my error. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 18:08:57
                         Nah.. it was a Beaker move - Spanky KU - 12/25 18:24:05
     there's no evidence they existed - pickle MU - 12/25 11:54:02
          RE: there's no evidence they existed - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 12:43:36
               The Bible isn't evidence at all - pickle MU - 12/25 13:04:51
                    RE: The Bible isn't evidence at all - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 13:20:08
                         it's not evidence that jesus existed (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 13:46:46
                              RE: it's not evidence that jesus existed (nm) - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 13:53:25
                                   None of those definitions fit - pickle MU - 12/25 14:05:24
                                        RE: None of those definitions fit - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 14:16:34
                                             They don't - pickle MU - 12/25 15:39:29
                                                  RE: They don't - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 18:37:56
                                                       Begging the question - pickle MU - 12/25 19:03:12
                                                            RE: Begging the question - SideshowBob MU - 12/26 08:03:10
                                                                 no one has changed the meaning of words - pickle MU - 12/26 08:51:45
                         Is a Greek/Classical Studies textbook evidence - MrBlueSky MU - 12/25 13:38:14
                              RE: Is a Greek/Classical Studies textbook evidence - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 13:50:19
                                   I believe that the earth is actually a deity - MrBlueSky MU - 12/25 14:16:10
                                        RE: I believe that the earth is actually a deity - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 14:24:35
                                             There are absolutely people with this belief system. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/25 14:28:20
                                                  RE: There are absolutely people with this belief system. (nm) - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 15:05:10
                                   you're missing the point (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 14:07:08
                                        RE: you're missing the point (nm) - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 14:11:32
                                             the point being that just because a character - pickle MU - 12/25 15:40:49
                                                  RE: the point being that just because a character - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 18:40:21
                                                       oh, boy. "asserts"? holy cow (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/25 20:05:55
                                                       lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 19:44:19
               and there are other texts from that time that corroborate - Spanky KU - 12/25 12:56:42
                    there aren't (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 13:05:16
          So sad for you. - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/25 11:56:12
               He doesn't understand proof. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 12:32:34
                    there isn't any (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 12:43:16
                         Wrong again, pickle - Spanky KU - 12/25 13:27:31
                              Josephus is not contemporary - pickle MU - 12/25 13:48:39
                                   RE: Josephus is not contemporary - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 19:31:52
                                        that's not evidence - pickle MU - 12/25 19:45:17
                                             How do you know that? - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 19:48:10
                                                  for the reasons i’ve already stated. - pickle MU - 12/25 21:06:50
                                                       You have zero eyewitnesses to you version. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 21:52:46
                                                            There are no eyewitness writings - pickle MU - 12/26 04:43:21
                                                                 Revelation Chapter 1 'I, John': A first person eyewitness - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/26 06:44:32
                                                                      Sorry, but no. That's ridiculous (nm) - pickle MU - 12/26 07:44:32
                                                                           You are so intellectually dishonest. Jude, the brother of - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/26 11:44:22
                                                                                There's nothing dishonest about it - pickle MU - 12/26 12:11:19
                                                            Heaven's Gate followers would not have killed themselves if - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 22:05:44
                                                                 A small group of delusional people who violated a crystal - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/25 22:21:09
                                                                      Oh boy (nm) - pickle MU - 12/26 04:44:02
                                   It actually is evidence - Spanky KU - 12/25 17:06:43
                                        It isn't (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 19:45:42
                                             It actually is - Spanky KU - 12/25 19:57:06
                                                  it isn’t. there is neither evidence nor proof (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 21:10:02
                              Wow, hadn't read that, good stuff - johncoffey MU - 12/25 13:44:28
                                   there is no scientific evidence (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 13:49:02
                                        It's like talking to a wall(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/25 13:59:33
               nothing sad about it. they may have existed - pickle MU - 12/25 11:59:43
     Proof that the Jesus fam supported taxes. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/25 11:11:43
          "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's " (nm) - DoltfromSTL MU - 12/25 11:17:58
               Jesus knew the Pharisees were trying to get him to - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 12:26:48
                    RE: Jesus knew the Pharisees were trying to get him to - SideshowBob MU - 12/25 12:55:39
               Did Caesar earn the money? If not it is not Caesar's.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 12:20:35
               It doesn't belong to Caesar - ummmm MU - 12/25 11:27:26
                    Since you are choosing to miss the point and quibble might I - DHighlander KC - 12/25 11:32:16
                         Lol no. read The Theory of Money and Credit by Mises (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 11:55:05
                         The Federal Reserve issues currency, not the US Treasury.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 11:52:45
                              Are you suggesting the Federal Reserve is NOT part of the - DHighlander KC - 12/25 12:40:39
                                   It ain't (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/25 14:22:46
                                   lmfao. it still cracks me up that you're a teacher (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 12/25 14:10:53
                                   Geez. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/25 12:47:18
                                        and this guy is a teacher (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 13:05:37
                                             Read and educate yourself. - DHighlander KC - 12/25 14:03:01
                                                  Can the President order the Fed to raise or lower - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 14:27:40
                                                  It is not part of the federal government (nm) - pickle MU - 12/25 14:06:18
                                   The Federal Reserve is not part of the federal government - pickle MU - 12/25 12:43:53
                         US currency isn't backed by anything. - ummmm MU - 12/25 11:43:58
                              It has value because the US treasury says it has value. - DHighlander KC - 12/25 12:37:03
                                   Yes. There have been whole threads on that misunderstood - ummmm MU - 12/25 13:18:28
                                   No - pickle MU - 12/25 12:44:40
               Render unto Trump that which is Trump's. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/25 11:19:57
                    Jesus wants us to pay Caeser so Caeser can bomb kids - TigerMatt MU - 12/25 11:53:54




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