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If you are on someone's driveway because you asked

Posted on: June 1, 2018 at 14:27:26 CT
TigerMatt STL
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them to turn down their music then fire a gun at them through their garage door... Do you think the police and prosecutor will say it was justified?
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Ouch! $0.04 jury award to family of black man killed by cop - Spanky KU - 6/1 14:19:57
     RE: Ouch! $0.04 jury award to family of black man killed by cop - MUDude MU - 6/1 16:19:46
          Lemme see, 25% of that would be around 1 penny. - GA Tiger MU - 6/1 16:22:47
               I bet he didn't take the case on contingency - Spanky KU - 6/1 18:23:10
     righteous bucks(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 6/1 15:37:21
     That's an outrageous verdict. - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/1 15:13:26
     Too bad - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/1 15:05:43
     Maybe they can split that with Michael Brown’s family. Nm - hokie VT - 6/1 14:45:04
          Who was in the wrong here, hokie? - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:45:50
               Gregory Hill was in the wrong - Spanky KU - 6/1 14:48:14
                    How? Who was he infringing upon? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:50:00
                         Initially, his neighbor who called in the noise complaint - Spanky KU - 6/1 14:59:53
                              Wasn't even a neighbor. Some lady in her car in a school - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:39:01
                                   That constitutes a neighbor.... - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:51:09
                                        Under whose definition?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:57:26
                                             The news story - Spanky KU - 6/1 17:35:14
                                                  Maybe there was more than one caller. A 2014 article I - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 18:04:49
                                                       Could be... I imagine more than 1 person would - Spanky KU - 6/1 18:21:28
                              It was parents picking up their kids from the school across - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:02:52
                                   Dude is sitting in his garage listening to music. Most - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:26:02
                                        If there was no noise ordinance, the cops would not have - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:28:46
                                             Not true at all. They will still show Up, document it but - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:34:22
                                                  No.. they actually will not. - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:36:23
                                                       I can guarantee you they will. Neighbors are trying to - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:40:49
                                                            That is a bull**** story. What town is this in? - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:42:27
                                                                 I dont live in a town.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:47:02
                                                                      What legal jurisdiction do you live in with said noise - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:53:54
                                                                           State of Missouri is as specific as I get with people like - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:56:55
                                                                                Then I am convinced you are not telling the complete story - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:04:08
                                                                                     Sure thing. It is not illegal to sit in a parked car but - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:09:35
                                                                                          If they suspect it is related to criminal activity they will - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:16:10
                                                                                               Actually they will because animal control has a case file. - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:32:57
                                                                                                    Then there are laws against nuisance noises in your burg - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:48:22
                                                                                                         No. There is an ordinance that discusses dogs. It however - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:55:28
                                                                                                              It HAS to be spelled out in the law - Spanky KU - 6/1 17:22:02
                                                                                                                   You'd think so.. But this is it - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 19:12:45
                                                  Stop defending and excusing murder(nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:35:52
                                   Land of the free. Murdered by the government - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:12:19
                                        Justifiable homicide at worst. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:19:14
                                             It's murder - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:24:25
                                             If police ever knock on my door, they will get a few 12 - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:20:51
                                                  Save one for yourself, because when they bring down the - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/1 16:57:02
                                                  If I'm holding you prisoner in my house - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:31:15
                                                       That is committing a crime. Playing music in the afternoon - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:38:39
                                                            Disturbing the peace is a violation which would prompt a - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:45:17
                                                                 It's a bull****, non-existent "charge" - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:46:50
                                                                      Disturbing the peace is a violation of Fort Pierce ordinance - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 16:12:37
                                                                           Land of the free. Murdered for playing loud music - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:32:14
                                                       No one was being held prisoner (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:36:24
                                                            Irrelevant. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:39:54
                                                                 He's turning your argument back on to you (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:42:13
                                                                      And it blew up in his face.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 16:03:23
                                                                           It didn't (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:07:01
                                                  I hope you paid up your life insurance policy - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:25:12
                                                       But if I were a pig.. It is all ok.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:26:26
                                                            Not only is it okay, but posters like Spanky will start - ummmm MU - 6/1 15:29:49
                                                                 He devalued his own life in the eyes of the jury - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:37:28
                                                                      Be that as it may, my post was about you laughing at him - ummmm MU - 6/1 15:52:28
                                                                           Where did I laugh? - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:55:16
                                                                                Oh, so you were sincerely sorry for him? - ummmm MU - 6/1 16:02:25
                                                                                     I do not believe anyone should die at the hands of another - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:11:23
                                                                                          So, were you sincerely sorry for the victim here? - ummmm MU - 6/1 16:22:38
                                                                                               RE: So, were you sincerely sorry for the victim here? - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:24:15
                                                                                                    That doesn't answer the question. We can agree that you - ummmm MU - 6/1 16:25:29
                                                                                                         It precisely answers the question - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:29:47
                                                                                                              Pussy (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:33:01
                                                                                                              You're lying. - ummmm MU - 6/1 16:32:01
                                                                      You are also a piece of **** (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:42:43
                                                                      Brain dead people like you who have no morals.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:41:53
                                                                           Nope.. you are the brain dead cretin with no sense of - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:55:57
                                                                                I know shooting someone through their garage door is wrong. - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:58:01
                                                                                     Well... you seem to be mistaken in this case - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:17:34
                                                                                          I don't base morals and rights around what the government - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:34:27
                                                                                               What do you base it on? - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:49:46
                                                                                                    Natural rights.. which the government violates.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:58:57
                                                                                                         The US legal system is not based on Natural Rights Theory - Spanky KU - 6/1 17:27:22
                                                            I suspect you are a pig - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:29:33
                              No, loud music is not an infringement - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:01:02
                                   It wasn't real music. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:06:12
                                        You will do anything to justify murder - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:10:32
                                             Self-defense isn't murder, dumb-ass. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:11:43
                                                  Not self defense. The gun was in his back pocket.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 16:11:09
                                                  The cops were infringing on him - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:13:14
                                                       So you're saying anybody has the right to point a gun - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:15:39
                                                            A made up story to cover for murder.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:17:57
                                                                 Prove it was "made up."(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:26:25
                                                                      Prove he waved his gun and pointed it at them (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:43:15
                                                                      Dont have to. Burden of proof is on the police to prove - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:27:28
                                                                           Cleared by a grand jury. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:34:22
                                                                                A prosecutor can get anyone indicted by a grand jury. But - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:43:04
                                                            I didn't say that nor imply it - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:17:21
                                                                 Maybe you ought to point a gun at a couple cops and - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:18:16
                                                                      Were the cops on their own property? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:25:44
                                                                           Doesn't matter.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:27:37
                                                                                It does. Spoiler: it wasn't. They were trespassing (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:32:02
                                                                      You have no proof he ever did that. It was found in his back - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:19:31
                                                                           Witnesses said he pointed it at the cops. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:36:43
                                                                                You have no proof (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:43:58
                                        Was it "Get Paid, Young Man, Get Paid"? - Tigrrrr! MU - 6/1 15:08:26
                                             I don't listen to that crap so I wouldn't know.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:12:30
                                   Yes.. loud music is an infringement - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:06:09
                                        What right is being infringed upon? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:09:45
                                             List the rights of a human, pickle - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:22:42
                                                  The rights to your own life, your own liberty, and your - ummmm MU - 6/1 15:28:57
                                                       Do I have the right to worship the God of my choosing? - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:35:04
                                                            Yes. No. No. No. (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/1 15:50:52
                                                            Yes. No. No. No. (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:37:44
                                                                 What right is violated if I cannot worship the God of my - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:41:19
                                                                      Your right to your own life and liberty, and very likely - ummmm MU - 6/1 15:51:35
                                                                      Your right of self-ownership - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:45:39
                                                                           So more rights than Life Liberty and Property? - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:30:47
                                                                                Excuse me? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:56:52
                                                                                     did you **** yourself? - Spanky KU - 6/1 18:36:40
                                                                                Those all spring from the same right. The right to one's - ummmm MU - 6/1 16:36:03
                                                                                     Self ownership would the LOGICALLY also be extended - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:54:29
                                                                                          No one was forced to listen (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:57:44
                                                                                               Yes.. they were. - Spanky KU - 6/1 17:45:07
                                                                                                    No they weren't. - Kaw-djer - 6/1 17:52:44
                                                                                                         Yes.. they were - Spanky KU - 6/1 18:04:32
                                                  What right is being infringed upon by loud music? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:26:37
                                                       What right is infringed upon by forcing someone to stand for - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:40:33
                                                            Don't try to change the subject - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:51:34
                                                                 ummm answered your question - Spanky KU - 6/1 16:55:27
                                                                      Pussy (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 16:58:08
                                                                           tsk, tsk, tsk - Spanky KU - 6/1 18:25:06
                                             The well-being of children. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:14:03
                                                  No. There is no right to not hear music - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:15:25
                    He did nothing wrong and was murdered by police.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:49:45
                         He pointed a gun at police. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:08:08
                              First, nowhere does it say that he did that - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:09:20
                         That is incorrect - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:00:21
                              A jury sided with OJ Simpson. Think he was innocent?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 15:16:16
                                   Yes. - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:26:19
                              It is correct (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:01:15
                                   Nope - Spanky KU - 6/1 15:07:23
     One, I say cops lied. Guy is hit 4 times and so he - GA Tiger MU - 6/1 14:30:42
          The cop was still in harm's way because the drunk was armed. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:47:41
               I just wonder about gun in pocket.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/1 15:32:28
               The cop had no business trespassing (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:50:35
                    They weren't trespassing. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 15:10:32
                         Was it their property? - Kaw-djer - 6/1 15:14:29
     If you are on someone's driveway because you asked - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:27:26
          You left out the part where the "victim" was holding a gun. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:32:02
               Is it illegal to have a gun in your hand in your own house? - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:34:30
                    It is if you're confronting someone who is no threat. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:41:45
                         But he was being confronted by a threat - ummmm MU - 6/1 14:50:54
                         It isn't. For all you know he could have been cleaning it - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:44:45
                         No it isn't (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:42:43
               We may not know he was when he was shot.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 6/1 14:33:21
                    He was still known to have been armed - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:35:53
                         Now you admit the police confronted him on his own property - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:43:35
                         So cops can shoot anyone that has a gun?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:37:18
                              If he doesn't surrender it on command, yes.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:42:51
                                   Not a big gun rights guy, eh? (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/1 14:51:42
                                        Knock knock - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:53:43
                                   Wow. (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:43:57
               It's his property and he wasn't using against anyone else. - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:33:21
                    A belligerent drunk waves a gun at you. Then closes the door - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:38:02
                         On my property or when I trespass on his? - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:40:03
                              I know if I'm scared for my life by a crazed gunman, I'm - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:43:13
                         Why wait until he closed the door to shoot? Garage doors are - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:38:53
     Land of the free. Get murdered by the government - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:21:49
          You left out the part where the "victim" was holding a gun. - Alferd Packer MU - 6/1 14:32:52
               That's the cop's claim -- - DC Jayhawk KU - 6/1 15:14:49
               Because it's irrelevant (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:43:04
               If the police were so threatened, why did they wait until - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:36:31
          Here’s 10 for being a pussy and using an alternate - Ferg STL - 6/1 14:28:22
               RE: Here’s 10 for being a pussy and using an alternate - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:31:09
               Here's 25 for you.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:31:09
                    Thanks. Even by cucumber standards you are weak - Ferg STL - 6/1 14:38:06
                         I know. I just swallow whatever the police claim without - TigerMatt STL - 6/1 14:40:33
                              Talk about following a master (nm) - Kaw-djer - 6/1 14:44:30




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