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If I point a gun at your head that is a crime

Posted on: February 28, 2018 at 10:43:34 CT
Ragnar Danneskjold MU
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no force has been used.

You have the right at that point to pre-emptively use force to prevent me from pulling the trigger.

You do not have to wait until you have a bullet in your head to use force to defend yourself.
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Two truths for you: - pickle MU - 2/28 10:03:42
     Preach on Reverend Pickle - Ferg STL - 2/28 11:30:39
     TBDR(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 2/28 10:54:14
     So pollution is both a crime and gives the - JG A - 2/28 10:37:08
          If someone pollutes your property and you have proof - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:44:24
     or has attempted or started to use force(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:34:50
          started=using(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:35:51
               correct but pickle said "used"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:36:22
                    Correct. No crime prevention allowed in pickletopia. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:40:30
                         There are no victims if a crime hasnt been committed(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:41:40
                              this is a sophomoric attempt to ignore probability - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 10:57:53
                                   probability? so older drivers, folks with poor eyesight, lo - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:21:38
                                        lol wrong again - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 15:20:10
                                   probability is irrelevant (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:06:34
                              If I point a gun at your head that is a crime - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:43:34
                                   pointing a loaded gun at me is force(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:44:38
                                        ok lets say I see someone pointing a gun at you but you - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:46:53
                                             Incorrect; he is (likely) being infringed upon - pickle MU - 2/28 10:50:43
                                                  ok so you don't have to actually be infringed, just likely(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:51:43
                                                       i said likely because you don't know for certain - pickle MU - 2/28 11:05:36
                                                       He means that if someone points a loaded gun at you, they - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:54:47
                                                            sure are a lot of caveats for such a simple "truth"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:55:30
                                                                 what caveats? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:45:51
                                                                 There are no caveats at all (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:06:03
                                                                 No caveats at all. Pretty straightforward for anyone with - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:56:55
                                                                      lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:58:01
                                             Infringement doesnt depend upon my knowledge of being - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:48:34
                                                  so, drunk drivers are all committing crimes then - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 10:59:03
                                                       no, there is no specific, directed threat - using your logic - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:20:48
                                                            no, you're using no logic - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 13:13:48
                                                       no (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:20:26
                                                  can you then use force on the burglar after you find out?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:49:09
                                                       no, that's not reacting to a use of force; that's seeking - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:51:52
                                                       To retrieve my property? yes, if it comes to that(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:50:18
                                                            can you use lethal force?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:51:13
                                                                 Yes, if the burglar uses force against me in an attempt to - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:52:46
                                                                      so if someone steals your car, you find out about it a week - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:54:11
                                                                           No, if he uses force against me in an attempt to keep what - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:55:34
                                                                                what if he just sits in the car and locks the doors so you - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:57:37
                                                                                     No(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:59:17
                                                                 to retrieve property? no. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:52:18
                    ok(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:38:31
     Which clearly means that if one has - GA Tiger MU - 2/28 10:32:55
     Other lesser known pickle truths. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:24:46
          RE: Other lesser known pickle truths. - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:38:40
               I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:43:04
                    RE: I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - pickle MU - 2/28 11:15:46
                         RE: I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - ummmm MU - 2/28 11:45:36
                              Lol - pickle MU - 2/28 11:51:00
                    Natural rights exist anywhere and everywhere at the present - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:44:49
     Why do your stated beliefs contradict each other so radicall - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:24:21
          A woman does not lose the right to her own body.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:25:21
               So? Ripping the arms and legs off her children is a separate - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:26:59
                    It is her own body. She has a right to remove anything - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:27:55
                         a newborn is a parasite using your 'definition' - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:35:14
                              a newborn is not a parasite (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:47:51
                                   using your definition it is. It is 100% dependent on others - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:54:25
                                        first, I didn't give a definition - pickle MU - 2/28 10:56:24
                                             answer the question, pickle - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:57:29
                                                  No. No one has that right (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:58:49
                                                       So the child is a parasite with no right to life in your - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:04:56
                                                            No. the parasitic relationship is only in utero - pickle MU - 2/28 11:09:02
                                                                 yet no-one has the right to initiate force on someone to - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:21:34
                                                                      that's correct; no one has the right to initiate force - pickle MU - 2/28 11:32:05
                                                                           So, no ACTUAL right to life because the child is 100% - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:36:07
                                                                                Everyone has a right to life - pickle MU - 2/28 11:42:33
                                                                                     But not the child in the womb. - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:55:56
                                                                                          RE: But not the child in the womb. - pickle MU - 2/28 12:07:13
                                                                                               Then she has the right to let the newborn die also - Spanky KU - 2/28 12:09:15
                                                                                                    you still don't understand rights. there is no right to let - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 12:47:38
                                                                                                    that right doesn't exist, Spanky - pickle MU - 2/28 12:11:00
                                                                                Incorrect. The right to life exists. There is no right to - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:40:38
                                                                                     and no-one can use force against the mother and - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:44:25
                                                                                          sure, someone can, but they have no right to do so - pickle MU - 2/28 11:52:03
                                                                                               then someone can force the woman to care for the child - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:54:29
                                                                                                    someone can also steal a car. someone can murder another - pickle MU - 2/28 12:09:29
                         Her children are not parasites. No embryologist nor - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:32:41
     Learn English - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:21:19
          Not everything illegal is a crime. - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:23:25
               and? - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:28:00
                    No(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:48:26
          You've seen pickle post about "rethinking" crime before, - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:22:29
               It isn't 'cherry picked' - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:23:37
                    Yes, it is cherry picked. But that is the least important - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:26:11
                         No.. pickle is stating as FACTUAL that falsely reporting - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:30:21
                              Again, this is the "rethinking" part. - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:33:34
                                   I am not rethinking the English language... Pickle should - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:36:25
                                        Well, then, why don't you look up the current English - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:37:37
                                             pickle didn't ask anyone to 'rethink' anything - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:51:42
                                                  Are you playing dumb here? - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:53:19
                                                       Nope.. You are playing hide the pickletopian dumb@ssery - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:55:18
                                                            so when you said pickle isn't asking anyone to rethink - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:45:28
                                                                 Nope.. I wasn't wrong. Pickle either doesn't know how to - Spanky KU - 2/28 12:05:05
                    Yes it is.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:24:23
                         Pick any definition that says a crime needs to have an - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:31:15
                              Here - pickle MU - 2/28 13:09:07
               I know i don't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:55
     If someone commits a crime without force - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:15:52
          Example? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:22:43
               see below(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:23:26
          use of force and defining crime are 2 different thoughts - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:07
          Example of crime without force please.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:19:52
               Copyright violation - Roberts MU - 2/28 12:14:47
                    Copyright violations are not crimes - pickle MU - 2/28 12:17:57
               car theft - yeah, I left my keys in the ignition - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:23:06
                    Is the thief using brain power? - pickle MU - 2/28 10:24:42
                    That is a physical action. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:24:07
     No one has the right to initiate force - tman KC - 2/28 10:14:47
     Two truths for you - MrBlueSky MU - 2/28 10:14:35
          And a 3rd truth.. - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:22:58
          yes, and? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:30
          correct. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:17:13
          you are correct (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:15:49
          This doesn't dispute anything pickle just said. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:15:37




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