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Posted on: February 28, 2018 at 10:03:42 CT
pickle MU
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1. No one has the right to initiate force against one who has not used force himself

2. Crime is the deliberate physical action for which there is an infringement and victim

Edited by pickle at 10:03:58 on 02/28/18
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Two truths for you: - pickle MU - 2/28 10:03:42
     Preach on Reverend Pickle - Ferg STL - 2/28 11:30:39
     TBDR(nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 2/28 10:54:14
     So pollution is both a crime and gives the - JG A - 2/28 10:37:08
          If someone pollutes your property and you have proof - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:44:24
     or has attempted or started to use force(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:34:50
          started=using(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:35:51
               correct but pickle said "used"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:36:22
                    Correct. No crime prevention allowed in pickletopia. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:40:30
                         There are no victims if a crime hasnt been committed(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:41:40
                              this is a sophomoric attempt to ignore probability - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 10:57:53
                                   probability? so older drivers, folks with poor eyesight, lo - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:21:38
                                        lol wrong again - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 15:20:10
                                   probability is irrelevant (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:06:34
                              If I point a gun at your head that is a crime - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:43:34
                                   pointing a loaded gun at me is force(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:44:38
                                        ok lets say I see someone pointing a gun at you but you - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:46:53
                                             Incorrect; he is (likely) being infringed upon - pickle MU - 2/28 10:50:43
                                                  ok so you don't have to actually be infringed, just likely(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:51:43
                                                       i said likely because you don't know for certain - pickle MU - 2/28 11:05:36
                                                       He means that if someone points a loaded gun at you, they - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:54:47
                                                            sure are a lot of caveats for such a simple "truth"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:55:30
                                                                 what caveats? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:45:51
                                                                 There are no caveats at all (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:06:03
                                                                 No caveats at all. Pretty straightforward for anyone with - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:56:55
                                                                      lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:58:01
                                             Infringement doesnt depend upon my knowledge of being - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:48:34
                                                  so, drunk drivers are all committing crimes then - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 10:59:03
                                                       no, there is no specific, directed threat - using your logic - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:20:48
                                                            no, you're using no logic - FootballRefugee MU - 2/28 13:13:48
                                                       no (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 11:20:26
                                                  can you then use force on the burglar after you find out?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:49:09
                                                       no, that's not reacting to a use of force; that's seeking - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:51:52
                                                       To retrieve my property? yes, if it comes to that(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:50:18
                                                            can you use lethal force?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:51:13
                                                                 Yes, if the burglar uses force against me in an attempt to - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:52:46
                                                                      so if someone steals your car, you find out about it a week - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:54:11
                                                                           No, if he uses force against me in an attempt to keep what - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:55:34
                                                                                what if he just sits in the car and locks the doors so you - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/28 10:57:37
                                                                                     No(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:59:17
                                                                 to retrieve property? no. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:52:18
                    ok(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:38:31
     Which clearly means that if one has - GA Tiger MU - 2/28 10:32:55
     Other lesser known pickle truths. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:24:46
          RE: Other lesser known pickle truths. - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:38:40
               I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/28 10:43:04
                    RE: I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - pickle MU - 2/28 11:15:46
                         RE: I merely point out the logical conclusion of your beliefs. - ummmm MU - 2/28 11:45:36
                              Lol - pickle MU - 2/28 11:51:00
                    Natural rights exist anywhere and everywhere at the present - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:44:49
     Why do your stated beliefs contradict each other so radicall - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:24:21
          A woman does not lose the right to her own body.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:25:21
               So? Ripping the arms and legs off her children is a separate - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:26:59
                    It is her own body. She has a right to remove anything - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:27:55
                         a newborn is a parasite using your 'definition' - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:35:14
                              a newborn is not a parasite (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:47:51
                                   using your definition it is. It is 100% dependent on others - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:54:25
                                        first, I didn't give a definition - pickle MU - 2/28 10:56:24
                                             answer the question, pickle - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:57:29
                                                  No. No one has that right (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:58:49
                                                       So the child is a parasite with no right to life in your - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:04:56
                                                            No. the parasitic relationship is only in utero - pickle MU - 2/28 11:09:02
                                                                 yet no-one has the right to initiate force on someone to - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:21:34
                                                                      that's correct; no one has the right to initiate force - pickle MU - 2/28 11:32:05
                                                                           So, no ACTUAL right to life because the child is 100% - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:36:07
                                                                                Everyone has a right to life - pickle MU - 2/28 11:42:33
                                                                                     But not the child in the womb. - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:55:56
                                                                                          RE: But not the child in the womb. - pickle MU - 2/28 12:07:13
                                                                                               Then she has the right to let the newborn die also - Spanky KU - 2/28 12:09:15
                                                                                                    you still don't understand rights. there is no right to let - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 12:47:38
                                                                                                    that right doesn't exist, Spanky - pickle MU - 2/28 12:11:00
                                                                                Incorrect. The right to life exists. There is no right to - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:40:38
                                                                                     and no-one can use force against the mother and - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:44:25
                                                                                          sure, someone can, but they have no right to do so - pickle MU - 2/28 11:52:03
                                                                                               then someone can force the woman to care for the child - Spanky KU - 2/28 11:54:29
                                                                                                    someone can also steal a car. someone can murder another - pickle MU - 2/28 12:09:29
                         Her children are not parasites. No embryologist nor - JeffB MU - 2/28 10:32:41
     Learn English - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:21:19
          Not everything illegal is a crime. - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:23:25
               and? - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:28:00
                    No(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 11:48:26
          You've seen pickle post about "rethinking" crime before, - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:22:29
               It isn't 'cherry picked' - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:23:37
                    Yes, it is cherry picked. But that is the least important - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:26:11
                         No.. pickle is stating as FACTUAL that falsely reporting - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:30:21
                              Again, this is the "rethinking" part. - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:33:34
                                   I am not rethinking the English language... Pickle should - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:36:25
                                        Well, then, why don't you look up the current English - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:37:37
                                             pickle didn't ask anyone to 'rethink' anything - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:51:42
                                                  Are you playing dumb here? - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:53:19
                                                       Nope.. You are playing hide the pickletopian dumb@ssery - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:55:18
                                                            so when you said pickle isn't asking anyone to rethink - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 11:45:28
                                                                 Nope.. I wasn't wrong. Pickle either doesn't know how to - Spanky KU - 2/28 12:05:05
                    Yes it is.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:24:23
                         Pick any definition that says a crime needs to have an - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:31:15
                              Here - pickle MU - 2/28 13:09:07
               I know i don't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:55
     If someone commits a crime without force - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:15:52
          Example? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:22:43
               see below(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:23:26
          use of force and defining crime are 2 different thoughts - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:07
          Example of crime without force please.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:19:52
               Copyright violation - Roberts MU - 2/28 12:14:47
                    Copyright violations are not crimes - pickle MU - 2/28 12:17:57
               car theft - yeah, I left my keys in the ignition - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/28 10:23:06
                    Is the thief using brain power? - pickle MU - 2/28 10:24:42
                    That is a physical action. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 2/28 10:24:07
     No one has the right to initiate force - tman KC - 2/28 10:14:47
     Two truths for you - MrBlueSky MU - 2/28 10:14:35
          And a 3rd truth.. - Spanky KU - 2/28 10:22:58
          yes, and? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/28 10:22:30
          correct. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/28 10:17:13
          you are correct (nm) - pickle MU - 2/28 10:15:49
          This doesn't dispute anything pickle just said. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/28 10:15:37




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