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By that definition capital punishment is not necessarily

Posted on: February 21, 2018 at 21:33:47 CT
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murder.

My own personal opinion on capital punishment. for instance, matches up naturally with what is taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm#2267

2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."68

Interestingly, by your definition abortion and euthanasia are also murder. I actually agree with that, based upon God's law.

You on the other hand think abortion is moral and should be legal.

Do you believe the same with respect to euthanasia?
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JeffB your examples fail logic. - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 19:04:21
          Free course for you - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:00:36
               How about a free preview? If you could identify the logical - JeffB MU - 2/21 21:09:33
                    In the first case you failed to mention who owned the - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:22:56
                         That was an oversight, not a logical fallacy, of course. - JeffB MU - 2/21 21:48:17
          RE: I was addressing your idea that a mother has a right to kill - pickle MU - 2/21 19:40:24
     he will never, ever understand rights (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 19:26:01
          Says the guy who thinks a mother has a right to kill her - JeffB MU - 2/21 19:30:27
               ^^ murder and theft are sometimes the decent thing to do - pickle MU - 2/21 19:39:21
                    False premises on your part... again. - JeffB MU - 2/21 19:46:26
                         They aren't false premises - pickle MU - 2/21 19:58:42
                              Of course they are. - JeffB MU - 2/21 20:50:28
                                   They aren't - pickle MU - 2/21 22:12:18
                                        Of course they are. Your ideas on rights are quite twisted.(nm) - JeffB MU - 2/21 22:23:49
                                             They aren't, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 2/21 23:53:40
                                                  The truth remains the truth no matter how many times you - JeffB MU - 2/22 07:39:55
                                                       The truth is capital punishment is murder - pickle MU - 2/22 08:14:24
                                                            You still haven't given us your definition of murder pickle(nm) - JeffB MU - 2/22 08:25:27
                                                                 us? And yes, I have - pickle MU - 2/22 08:45:40
                                                                      OK, by your definition then, you support a 'right' to murder - JeffB MU - 2/22 09:04:12
                                                                           No, Jeff. This is your dishonesty again (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 09:13:52
                                                                                No pickle, that's the blatant truth. (nm) - JeffB MU - 2/22 09:26:57
                                   Anytime someone purposefully takes the life of another - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:02:17
                                        By that definition capital punishment is not necessarily - JeffB MU - 2/21 21:33:47
                                             I have never stated abortion is moral. My own morals - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:46:20
                                                  But you think murder is immoral, correct? (nm) - JeffB MU - 2/21 21:49:46
                                                       Yes. I believe abortion is immoral too. But my own - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 22:01:32
                                                            On the other hand all laws are imposing a society's will - JeffB MU - 2/21 22:03:57
                                                                 I am not opposed to laws recognizing natural rights. - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 22:11:07
                                        suprise, surprise! Pickletopians once again making up their - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 21:21:45
                                             Lol - pickle MU - 2/21 22:07:33
                                             Who grants the authority to make killing someone - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:25:35
                                                  If those five people have the authority to make the laws of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 21:34:04
                                                       Killing 6 million Jews was law of the land therefore not - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:39:15
                                                            It was not murder under German law at the time. That is why - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 21:47:00
                                                                 Have you ever looked at Nuremberg trials? They had no - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 21:55:48
                                                                      Yes, to the victors go the spoils. Are any international - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/21 22:04:47
                                                                           lmfao - pickle MU - 2/21 22:09:20
                                                                      I think it was an attempt to enact God's Law which is - JeffB MU - 2/21 22:02:09
                                                                           As I have said i am personally opposed to abortion. - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 22:16:34
                                                                                Sounds similar to Senator Douglas in his debates with - JeffB MU - 2/21 22:25:31
                                                                                     Slaves did not infringe on rights of slave owners. - TigerMatt MU - 2/21 22:34:28
                                                                                          My point was that made by Lincoln in the Lincoln Douglas - JeffB MU - 2/22 07:48:41
                                                                                               Sometimes murder and theft are the decent thing to do(nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 08:22:14
                                                                                                    Perhaps that IS your belief. After all, you support the - JeffB MU - 2/22 08:29:42
                                                                                                         No, that's what you posted (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 08:46:12
                                                                                                              No, the record shows that YOU support murder, not I... - JeffB MU - 2/22 09:45:12




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