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we're talking about one year, not the norm.

Posted on: February 14, 2018 at 10:31:21 CT
kmawv8 MU
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we're discussing their match ups THIS year.

this whole conversation is comparing the two conferences this one year. regardless of how the teams were decided, 10 games against each other gives a good sample size to compare them head to head. if you want two more games, i know MU/WVU and Arky/OK were two games not part of that challenged and can be used to evaluate too.
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Cuonzo Martin is a wizard - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 15:19:11
     I like Warlock but - catbirdseat MU - 2/14 15:20:43
     And yet some of us knew this was coming. - gaber c. MU - 2/14 11:49:44
     Well-stated(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/14 11:31:05
     Yes, he's rebuilt the program in 1 year.(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 2/14 11:19:20
     And yet you still give him strike 1. (nm) - Bucky Larson MU - 2/14 10:50:07
     I see him more as a 5th level cleric. - GoldenTiger MU - 2/14 10:34:01
     Lost 4 of the top 6 players? - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:54:58
          Productivity does not matter to Fiji. And not - alwaysright MU - 2/14 11:04:19
          It's got a top 10 team - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:03:06
          He is totally clueless. (nm) - go tigers MU - 2/14 10:02:00
               And proves it on a daily basis (nm) - hou4mu MU - 2/14 10:53:57
          Fiji has an irrational hatred of Kim - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/14 09:59:59
          Top 6 players last year for MU - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:56:14
               Russell Woods was better than Puryear - hou4mu MU - 2/14 10:51:47
                    FYI, they are both on that 6 player list (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:56:02
               Well, assuming you can just make an ignorant list, yes(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:58:49
                    People who subjected themselves to watching MU play last - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:01:31
                         I went to every home game last year and watched the rest - go tigers MU - 2/14 10:04:15
                              While I believe you watch all of our games - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:05:48
                         My subjective opinion is you didn't watch closely(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:03:25
               Geist did far more than Hughes ever did. But you - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:58:01
                    I was talking about ability, not production - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:59:58
                         I think Kemp, Rau, Glassman, Wolf had the most ability - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:01:18
                              They did not. Leads me to question the validity of your - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:02:24
                                   You weren't watching closely enough. My subjective opinion - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:02:55
                                        You are entitled to that incorrect opinion - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:04:26
                                             My subjective opinion says you are objectively wrong(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:38
          He is a clown(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:56:03
               There will always be a course correction - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:59:57
     Toughest conferenec? - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:40:32
          It could be debated. Just not effectively (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:41:37
               Where are your facts to prove it? - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:42:47
                    Take conference games out of the two schedules and look - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:47:31
                         What was the final count in the SEC/Big 12 Challenge?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:48:17
                              SEC - 6 Big 12 -4 - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:51:13
                                   How did the SEC decide which programs wouldn't participate?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:57:55
                                        You keep bringing this up. While that may be an advantage - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:01:39
                                             I brought it up once since B12-SEC challenge day. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:05
                                                  according to your post below, that would be the 11th time - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:08:09
                                                       I discussed on day of challenge and then again today. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:09:56
                                                            I'm not twisting facts. - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:14:42
                                                                 "advantage was non-existent" - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:19:43
                                                                      Yes, it is very unlikely that it happens, but it DID happen - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:22:04
                                                                      3 of the 4 b12 wins came against our 11, 12, 13 teams. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:21:50
                                                                           Home teams? - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:28:16
                                                                                TJ, your point is that the SEC gets to choose who plays. ok. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:54:05
                                                                                     I understand the meta here. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:22:24
                                                                      In theory, our 10th best team should be as bad/good - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:21:33
                                                                           Not if you take out the 4 programs with the worst - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:24:32
                                                                                Here it is in cold truth. Played 59 - 67. Didn't play 29-21. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:34:52
                                                                                     Thanks(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:25:46
                                                                                okay, but this year 75% of the b12 wins came against our - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:27:06
                                                                                We are in 3rd place in the conference and didn't even - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:25:45
                                                                                     And an exemplar doesn't equate to the norm(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:28:56
                                                                                          Doesn't really matter. We aren't talking historically. - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:31:43
                                                                                               Yeah, I'm still not convinced SEC is better. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:32:12
                                                                                          we're talking about one year, not the norm. - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:31:21
                                                                 I really do think the SEC is stronger than the Big 12 this - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:15:44
                                                                      I agree (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:19:50
                                        Based on records the previous year - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:58:40
                                             But our BOTTOM FOUR teams played in it this year. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:09:59
                              6-4 SEC (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:50:23
                    There aren't facts to support what is the toughest conf - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:45:36
                         And you are completely biased - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:48:36
                              No statistical measure has the SEC as #1 - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:56:17
                                   While you start with facts or objectivity, you finish - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:00:07
                                        True. Projections and predictions must include them - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:02:26
                                   concur (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 2/14 09:59:15
                                   There aren't statistical measurements that effectively - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:57:35
                                        LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:58:19
                              I said already you can make an argument for those confs - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:49:32
                                   But the SEC would - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:51:48
                                        It has 11 strong programs, with the most talent and - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:53:20
                                             So you are calling LSU and Georgia strong - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:55:29
                                                  Yes (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:57:59
                                                       Georgia's coach will likely get fired - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 10:02:40
                                                            Just proves how great of a job he's doing. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:56
                                                            They are 4-8 due to playing in the nation's toughest conf(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 10:03:25
                                                                 I repeat they are not a strong program - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 10:06:32
                                                  And Rick Barnes and Bruce Pearl are strong coaches. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:57:16
                                                       You don't think they are good coaches? They clearly are (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:59:52
                                                            No, I don't and never have. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:06:46
                                                                 Tennessee was in the gutter and he has made them good - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:09:05
                                                                      I'm taking the unpopular stance here, I'm sure. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:11:20
                                                  Hahaha (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:56:13
                         This is my favorite all-time post of yours(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:47:39
                              Thanks I try and offer a plethora of options to choose from(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:48:21
                    The ACC is the best conference total IMO. The RPI - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:43:15
                         Yeah they are always top heavy - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:44:25
          The ACC is the best conference as far as high end teams - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:58
               Big 12 can make an argument too - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:41:50
                    Other than Texas Tech and W. Virginia they are all weak (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:47:04
                         KU is way down but you can't call them weak - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:54:00
                              Neither of those teams would be in the top half of the SEC - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:55:02
     Disagree about a few points - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 09:38:18
          RE: Disagree about a few points - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:43:31
               Silly - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 09:45:30
                    I would disagree with "athletic freak" big time. Athletic - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:46:49
                         He can't get to the rim because he can't dribble - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 09:47:55
                              that is a fact. biggest weakness is handles. nm - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:57:50
                                   I agree but he isn't some athletic freak. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:00:55
                                        he absolutely is(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 10:08:19
                                             No(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:09:58
                                                  his monsterous dunks and ability to defend 4 positions - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 10:16:30
                                                       He is probably not as strong as Puryear, can't defend - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:18:41
                                                            Actually no probably to it. He isn't as strong as Puryear(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:22:11
                                                                 Puryear is a PF. He is close to his strength and a much - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 10:35:39
                    Or his 2 coaches at Texas - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:46:33
                         He isn't a 5th year senior(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:47:42
          Puryear has been playing great help defense but he's - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:09
               I said he is always in the right spot - MizzouAstro MU - 2/14 09:41:22
     There are several good individual defensive players. Not - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:33:22
          Who are they? (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:34:12
               Geist is a pest and has played great defense all year long. - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:35:40
                    RE: Geist is a pest and has played great defense all year long. - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:40:12
                         They absolutely can. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:34
     Cratered(nm) - Le Tigre - 2/14 09:29:23
     still underperforming pundit expectations but imagine how - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/14 09:28:13
          Do you honestly think - kcnorthside MU - 2/14 09:41:34
          weren't we picked 6th in the SEC with MPJ? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/14 09:35:28
               depends which pundits(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/14 09:42:48
          With a little more effort and less 'woe is me' attitude, its - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:33:15
               effort was never the problem for Kim - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/14 09:36:11
                    Talking about Kim's effort, not the players effort for Kim - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:37:17
     Where was Kassius going before he committed to MU? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:24:47
          canisius college (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:26:38
               Had he been recruited as a transfer - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:29:11
                    He had the choice between us and GA Tech. Thankfully - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:33:48
                    Believe Mann identified and brought him to campus (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:30:52
                    He also visited Georgia Tech(nm) - Conan the Librarian MU - 2/14 09:29:40
     All starts with defense and the great thing, aside from - Diamond Dave MU - 2/14 09:23:14
     so you know nothing about defense? - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:23:09
          Just imagine what he will be able to do with players - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:24:16
               So you're saying the players we currently have - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 2/14 09:34:37
                    They have become better defenders. - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:36:28
               You're not giving our guys enough credit for the individual - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:26:19
                    I am giving them credit. They are overcoming their - FIJItiger MU - 2/14 09:27:44
                         shaking my head. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:38:06
                              I think his point is valid. To be a good defender you need - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 2/14 09:51:16
                                   I'd argue the most imortant thing is court awareness. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:56:13




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