Missouri Tigers Athletics :: Mizzou College Sports :: TigerBoard.com :: I was talking about ability, not production

Cuonzo Martin is a wizard - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 15:19:11

I like Warlock but - catbirdseat MU

- 2/14 15:20:43

And yet some of us knew this was coming. - gaber c. MU - 2/14 11:49:44

Well-stated(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/14 11:31:05

Yes, he's rebuilt the program in 1 year.(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 2/14 11:19:20

And yet you still give him strike 1. (nm) - Bucky Larson MU - 2/14 10:50:07

I see him more as a 5th level cleric. - GoldenTiger MU - 2/14 10:34:01

Lost 4 of the top 6 players? - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:54:58

Productivity does not matter to Fiji. And not - alwaysright MU - 2/14 11:04:19

It's got a top 10 team - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:03:06

He is totally clueless. (nm) - go tigers MU

- 2/14 10:02:00

And proves it on a daily basis (nm) - hou4mu MU - 2/14 10:53:57

Fiji has an irrational hatred of Kim - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 2/14 09:59:59

Top 6 players last year for MU - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:56:14

Russell Woods was better than Puryear - hou4mu MU - 2/14 10:51:47

FYI, they are both on that 6 player list (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:56:02

Well, assuming you can just make an ignorant list, yes(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:58:49

People who subjected themselves to watching MU play last - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:01:31

I went to every home game last year and watched the rest - go tigers MU

- 2/14 10:04:15

While I believe you watch all of our games - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:05:48

My subjective opinion is you didn't watch closely(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:03:25

Geist did far more than Hughes ever did. But you - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:58:01

I was talking about ability, not production - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:59:58

I think Kemp, Rau, Glassman, Wolf had the most ability - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:01:18

They did not. Leads me to question the validity of your - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:02:24

You weren't watching closely enough. My subjective opinion - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:02:55

You are entitled to that incorrect opinion - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:04:26

My subjective opinion says you are objectively wrong(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:38

He is a clown(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:56:03

There will always be a course correction - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:59:57

Toughest conferenec? - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:40:32

It could be debated. Just not effectively (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:41:37

Where are your facts to prove it? - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:42:47

Take conference games out of the two schedules and look - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:47:31

What was the final count in the SEC/Big 12 Challenge?(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:48:17

SEC - 6 Big 12 -4 - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:51:13

How did the SEC decide which programs wouldn't participate?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:57:55

You keep bringing this up. While that may be an advantage - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:01:39

I brought it up once since B12-SEC challenge day. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:05

according to your post below, that would be the 11th time - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:08:09

I discussed on day of challenge and then again today. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:09:56

I'm not twisting facts. - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:14:42

"advantage was non-existent" - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:19:43

Yes, it is very unlikely that it happens, but it DID happen - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:22:04

3 of the 4 b12 wins came against our 11, 12, 13 teams. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:21:50

Home teams? - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:28:16

TJ, your point is that the SEC gets to choose who plays. ok. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:54:05

I understand the meta here. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:22:24

In theory, our 10th best team should be as bad/good - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:21:33

Not if you take out the 4 programs with the worst - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:24:32

Here it is in cold truth. Played 59 - 67. Didn't play 29-21. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:34:52

Thanks(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:25:46

okay, but this year 75% of the b12 wins came against our - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:27:06

We are in 3rd place in the conference and didn't even - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:25:45

And an exemplar doesn't equate to the norm(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:28:56

Doesn't really matter. We aren't talking historically. - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:31:43

Yeah, I'm still not convinced SEC is better. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 11:32:12

we're talking about one year, not the norm. - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:31:21

I really do think the SEC is stronger than the Big 12 this - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:15:44

I agree (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:19:50

Based on records the previous year - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:58:40

But our BOTTOM FOUR teams played in it this year. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 10:09:59

6-4 SEC (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:50:23

There aren't facts to support what is the toughest conf - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:45:36

And you are completely biased - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:48:36

No statistical measure has the SEC as #1 - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:56:17

While you start with facts or objectivity, you finish - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 10:00:07

True. Projections and predictions must include them - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:02:26

concur (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 2/14 09:59:15

There aren't statistical measurements that effectively - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:57:35

LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:58:19

I said already you can make an argument for those confs - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:49:32

But the SEC would - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:51:48

It has 11 strong programs, with the most talent and - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:53:20

So you are calling LSU and Georgia strong - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:55:29

Yes (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:57:59

Georgia's coach will likely get fired - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 10:02:40

Just proves how great of a job he's doing. (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:05:56

They are 4-8 due to playing in the nation's toughest conf(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 10:03:25

I repeat they are not a strong program - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 10:06:32

And Rick Barnes and Bruce Pearl are strong coaches. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:57:16

You don't think they are good coaches? They clearly are (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:59:52

No, I don't and never have. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:06:46

Tennessee was in the gutter and he has made them good - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:09:05

I'm taking the unpopular stance here, I'm sure. - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 10:11:20

Hahaha (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:56:13

This is my favorite all-time post of yours(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 2/14 09:47:39

Thanks I try and offer a plethora of options to choose from(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:48:21

The ACC is the best conference total IMO. The RPI - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:43:15

Yeah they are always top heavy - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:44:25

The ACC is the best conference as far as high end teams - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:58

Big 12 can make an argument too - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:41:50

Other than Texas Tech and W. Virginia they are all weak (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:47:04

KU is way down but you can't call them weak - Hoosier Daddy1 IU - 2/14 09:54:00

Neither of those teams would be in the top half of the SEC - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:55:02

Disagree about a few points - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 09:38:18

RE: Disagree about a few points - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:43:31

Silly - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 09:45:30

I would disagree with "athletic freak" big time. Athletic - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:46:49

He can't get to the rim because he can't dribble - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 09:47:55

that is a fact. biggest weakness is handles. nm - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:57:50

I agree but he isn't some athletic freak. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:00:55

he absolutely is(nm) - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 10:08:19

No(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:09:58

his monsterous dunks and ability to defend 4 positions - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 10:16:30

He is probably not as strong as Puryear, can't defend - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:18:41

Actually no probably to it. He isn't as strong as Puryear(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 10:22:11

Puryear is a PF. He is close to his strength and a much - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 10:35:39

Or his 2 coaches at Texas - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:46:33

He isn't a 5th year senior(nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:47:42

Puryear has been playing great help defense but he's - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:09

I said he is always in the right spot - MizzouAstro MU

- 2/14 09:41:22

There are several good individual defensive players. Not - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:33:22

Who are they? (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:34:12

Geist is a pest and has played great defense all year long. - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:35:40

RE: Geist is a pest and has played great defense all year long. - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:40:12

They absolutely can. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:40:34

Cratered(nm) - Le Tigre - 2/14 09:29:23

still underperforming pundit expectations but imagine how - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 2/14 09:28:13

Do you honestly think - kcnorthside MU - 2/14 09:41:34

weren't we picked 6th in the SEC with MPJ? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/14 09:35:28

depends which pundits(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 2/14 09:42:48

With a little more effort and less 'woe is me' attitude, its - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:33:15

effort was never the problem for Kim - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 2/14 09:36:11

Talking about Kim's effort, not the players effort for Kim - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:37:17

Where was Kassius going before he committed to MU? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:24:47

canisius college (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:26:38

Had he been recruited as a transfer - kmawv8 MU - 2/14 09:29:11

He had the choice between us and GA Tech. Thankfully - TheWildcat STL - 2/14 09:33:48

Believe Mann identified and brought him to campus (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:30:52

He also visited Georgia Tech(nm) - Conan the Librarian MU - 2/14 09:29:40

All starts with defense and the great thing, aside from - Diamond Dave MU

- 2/14 09:23:14

so you know nothing about defense? - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:23:09

Just imagine what he will be able to do with players - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:24:16

So you're saying the players we currently have - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 2/14 09:34:37

They have become better defenders. - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:36:28

You're not giving our guys enough credit for the individual - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:26:19

I am giving them credit. They are overcoming their - FIJItiger MU

- 2/14 09:27:44

shaking my head. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:38:06

I think his point is valid. To be a good defender you need - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 2/14 09:51:16

I'd argue the most imortant thing is court awareness. - bornoncampus MU - 2/14 09:56:13

I was talking about ability, not production

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