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Of course it is pickle. It is the truth despite your blind

Posted on: February 6, 2018 at 11:42:00 CT
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faith in an illogical godless universe.

A Creator outside of the universe... a First Mover, is far more logical than a blind belief that what is logical... isn't true, with no logical explanation for a universe that defies the laws of science as we know them.

For instance:

http://tigerboard.com/boards/view.php?message=15405505

How do you explain the existence of the universe while simultaneously claiming that there is no God?

The universe could not create itself out of nothing, of course.

The alternative posited by some, would be a universe that just always existed. But given the laws of thermodynamics a perpetual motion machine cannot exist other than in a perfect vacuum... and heat will always go from hot objects to cooler objects until equilibrium is reached and all objects are the same temperature.

If the universe always existed there would necessarily be an infinite amount of time behind us. It has no beginning after all.

If there is an infinite amount of time behind us then the universe would have run out of energy by now and everything would be in a state of equilibrium, the sun and stars and planets, asteroids, comets, space dust and whatever else is in the universe would all be one, constant temperature by now.

There must necessarily be someone or something outside of the universe that created it & put it into motion.

The earth is currently spinning at almost 1,000 mph, while orbiting the sun at 66,000 mph, and the solar system is orbiting our "standard of rest" within the galaxy at about 43,000 mph, and that subset of our galaxy is orbiting the galaxy at about 483,000 mph & altogether we are traveling at approximately 1.3 million mph!

https://astrosociety.org/edu/publications/tnl/71/howfast.html#2

We could not do that perpetually.
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     There is a war. I don't know if god is on our side. - Coors4bob MU - 2/6 13:11:12
     Since you don't know how to ask the right question(s), - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/6 12:49:20
     1. There is a spiritual war between good and evil. - MU Diaspora MU - 2/6 11:43:51
          No (nm) - pickle MU - 2/6 13:52:44
          If only those Christians did more than believed - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/6 11:49:00
               Like feed and clothe the poor ? - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:51:25
     Kind of creepy to think people do think like that (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/6 11:25:53
          I used to think the same thing until something drove me - Savage KC - 2/6 11:56:26
          Do you think there is a religious left in this country and - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:27:07
               No. That is not a well grounded position to hold - FIJItiger MU - 2/6 11:45:21
                    True statement, sometimes the black churches understand - Savage KC - 2/6 11:58:17
                    There is a religious left as well, Feej. It is found mostly - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:56:10
                         They are likely not well grounded either then (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 2/6 11:57:00
     There has always been a spiritual war between good and - MUTGR MU - 2/6 11:23:26
     Note to adherents - God is not interested in petty politics(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/6 11:20:54
          ↑ Either never read, or never understood the book of Daniel. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/6 12:57:02
          But God is interested in Righteousness - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:24:11
               No. "he's" not.(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 2/6 14:20:53
               Do you think this country was ordained by God to - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:25:15
                    Yes, I absolutely do - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:46:35
                         was slavery and Jim Crow just a blip on the righteous radar? - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:58:01
                              Axe yerself who led the way for those thing to be abolished? - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 12:03:54
                                   People, yes, people, with principle and some courage. - GA Tiger MU - 2/6 12:15:09
                                   cracks me up when you people take credit for something - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 12:06:47
                                   LOL well it wasn't 'christians' - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/6 12:06:38
     Nope! - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/6 11:12:16
          RE: Nope! - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:14:43
               LOL@ that screwball? - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/6 11:16:27
          Dope! - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:13:46
          RE: I’ve studied some of this and how the elite (R&D) work - Hogeye ARK - 2/6 11:34:26
               It's a politics board... - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/6 11:44:21
                    RE: It's a politics board... - Hogeye ARK - 2/6 13:34:40
               You misspelled the best(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:39:50
          True dat... unfortunately. (nm) - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:12:39
          Trump - righteous? - tigerdb MU - 2/6 11:39:48
               RE: Trump - righteous? - mizzoumurfkc MU - 2/6 12:09:38
               lol, the stock response will be that God can use whomever - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:40:32
                    God can and does use whomever He wants, including but - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:51:49
                         lol, it's so easy(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 12:02:10
                              If your goal is to publicly challenge what you know someone - JeffB MU - 2/6 13:44:15
          your Lord, you mean - pickle MU - 2/6 11:15:37
               Your Creator & Lord as well, whether you know that truth - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:17:30
                    that's not truth, Jeff - pickle MU - 2/6 11:36:20
                         Of course it is pickle. It is the truth despite your blind - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:42:00
                              Does using laws of physics to prove God must exist - cnk ATL - 2/6 11:50:42
                                   I believe so, especially for those who mistakenly believe - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:59:36
                                        I would argue that both extremes - cnk ATL - 2/6 12:08:26
                                             Picking the middle when others disagree doesn't necessarily - JeffB MU - 2/6 12:20:23
                    Do you think gay can be prayed away or reversed?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:30:56
                         Homosexuality is far more fluid than many have postulated. - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:36:45
                              so you do think it can be prayed away and reversed?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 11:38:54
                                   I think it can change, and simple observation shows that to - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:45:05
                                        No, that kid must be raped and murdered. No, that child - hefeweizen MU - 2/6 12:04:10
          The demonrats have been blinded to the Truth by Satan - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:09:08
               That's what happens to people when they turn away from - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:10:22
          Why would God use people to do his doing? - Silas MU - 2/6 11:07:25
               He gave us free will. nm - MU Diaspora MU - 2/6 11:40:28
               Why do parents let their children 'help' with making dinner, - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:08:49
                    why don't you answer questions? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/6 11:36:49
                    God isn’t a parent - Silas MU - 2/6 11:12:32
                         Gods relationship with us is very much like a parent and - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:16:49
                         Are you an atheist? (nm) - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:13:13
                              Because I said God isn’t a parent? Because I question your - Silas MU - 2/6 11:15:48
                                   RE: Because I said God isn’t a parent? Because I question your - Hogeye ARK - 2/6 11:31:25
                                   I am genuinely curious. Christians, of course, know that - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:19:10
                                        OK, but those who don't believe in the Trinity are not - JeffB MU - 2/6 11:29:37
                                             Link to "Trinity" In the King James JeffB - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:38:47
                                        Well, The Pentecostals might have a bone to pick with you - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:21:58
                                        Christians are taught not to think - Silas MU - 2/6 11:21:32
                                             Thats Xactly why i became a Christian - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:25:27
     R vs D is evil putting on a dog and pony show - JG A - 2/6 11:04:31
     Take R&D outta the equation, Christians are to fight Evil - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:02:56
          Why ? What is this evil that Christians "are to fight"? - raskolnikov MU - 2/6 11:22:12
               The forces of darkness sufi - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:27:06
     I think that's dumb. Count me as a no. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 2/6 11:01:36
     I definitely think Democrats are evil - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/6 11:01:07
          Speakin of Sh#tholes - Uncle Fester USMC - 2/6 11:11:45




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