'you refuse to understand the line I draw'. I understand it,

Posted on: January 8, 2018 at 09:54:12 CT

but I reject it as a legitimate option.

Being in favor of an option to deliberately kill innocent human beings, limited only by their place of residence is just immoral. I have seen no legitimate argument from you giving any reasonable justification for that other than... that's what I believe, so you should accept it.

Again, you have provided no reasonable argument in favor of "where you draw the line". You either reject the scientific facts or you reject the premise that deliberately killing innocent human beings is not acceptable. Yes, I do see both of those as "black and white issues". They are either true, or they are not.

"Whenever you talk about abortion, you make sure to talk about it in the grossest worst possible terms."

I think that it is important to point out the reality of the consequences of people's beliefs. Most want to hide and ignore the reality of the brutality of what happens when the policies they espouse are enacted. This is true of those who sanitize what goes on in the wars they espouse, or in other brutal policies, such as Hitler's "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem". People don't want to see or come to grips with what they are in fact supporting and bringing about.

I have listened to abortion survivors detail the physical problems they experience because of the damage they sustained when the abortionist tried to kill them but failed. I have read and listened to nurses who assisted at abortions detail the horrible cruelty they witnessed and of doctors who coldly describe how they twist the arms and legs off of living humans as if they are preparing a chicken for dinner.

If you are interested, you can watch an abortion on ultrasound, courtesy of Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL, the National Abortion Rights Action League, on his site: http://www.silentscream.org/ You can watch the child fight and squirm to avoid the suction device and then when it finally gets him, the look of horror on his face and you will see his silent scream as he is ripped to shreds and sucked out of his mother's womb .

"you want to make sure it is an emotional argument"

No, my argument is pretty straightforward, as noted above. Deliberately killing innocent human beings is gravely immoral and unacceptable in a civilized society.

"You love to claim how people who are pro-choice are also vehemently pro abortion and are almost happy abut scalpers being swung."

No, I was pointing out the clear common law, common sense legal principle that our rights stop at the point that we are violating other people's rights. You were asserting that "the mother's right to do what she wants with her own body" somehow justified deliberately slaughtering another human being, her own child. Oliver Wendell Holmes wasn't the first to state the principle that "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins.", but he was the most famous. That same principle clearly applies in the case of abortion.

" I think it is sad that many make the choice of abortion, but I understand why."

In similar fashion I can see why people make the choice to do almost any evil, but that hardly is a reason to then legalize the commission of such evil acts. I am sure that some families who owned slaves felt that they did so out of necessity... that they would suffer significant financial hardships if they didn't, but that hardly makes owning slaves something that makes us sad, but that we should keep legal. I can understand the rage a woman might have in finding her husband in bed with another woman, and that she might be overcome with that rage and kill both of them, but that doesn't mean it should be legal. I can even understand the rage and emotion Lorena Bobbit must have felt when she broke and cut her husband's penis off while he slept, then drove away and threw it out of a window in spite, but I hardly see any justification for legalizing the brutality.