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Posted on: December 20, 2017 at 21:06:04 CT
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http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-tax-bill-california-20171214-story.html

......Limiting the SALT deduction could affect as many as 6 million Californians—one of every three taxpaying households in the state, according to Michael Cohen, director of the state Department of Finance. The average deduction for property taxes is about $6,000, he has told the state congressional delegation, and the separate deduction for state and local income taxes comes to nearly $16,000 per return.

One option that could be considered by the Legislature would be to redefine state and local taxes as charitable contributions, which remain fully deductible under the GOP tax proposals. The idea isn’t as implausible as it seems: The Internal Revenue Service and federal courts have ruled that government entities can count as charities for the purpose of the charitable deduction, even when the donor receives a full state or local tax credit in return.

Indeed, legislators in Sacramento already are working on a plan to give taxpayers the option of making charitable deductions to state government and taking a tax credit.

California ranks fourth among states in the share of income claimed as a deduction for state and local taxes, although the amount claimed by its taxpayers ranks first in the nation. (Tax Foundation)
Up to now, the maneuver hasn’t been very important except for high-income taxpayers subject to the federal alternative minimum tax, which disallows the deduction for state and local taxes but allows it for charitable contributions. Fewer than 5% of California taxpayers have been subject to the federal AMT, almost all of them with incomes higher than $200,000.

In a 2013 paper, Kirk J. Stark of UCLA Law School and Phillip Blackman, now of Ithaca College, offered a “thought experiment” in which California established a “state charitable contribution fund” aimed at covering general fund expenditures while offering donors a dollar-for-dollar credit against state taxes. The state would receive the same revenue, but the taxpayer exposed to the AMT would retain the deduction for money voluntarily handed over to the state.

“From the state’s perspective,” Stark and Blackman wrote, “that should be simply an accounting maneuver”; for the taxpayer, it’s money in the bank.

California and other states already have similar systems in place, Stark told me. California’s college access fund grants a 50% state tax credit for contributions to the Cal Grants program, which aids low-income college students. The program, which this year was extended through 2023, hasn’t been especially popular—although a maximum of $500 million in credits is available each year, only $5.4 million was claimed in 2016, the latest year available. That’s probably because the 50% tax credit isn’t very alluring, and only AMT taxpayers would find the credit to be of any use, Stark says.
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     wny should taxes be deductible? - meatiger MU - 12/20 20:55:48
          The work around is easy - Spanky KU - 12/20 21:06:04
               Yeah that wont hold up in court. Charitable donations - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 22:31:42
                    The way they're framing it, though, is that the charitable - JeffB MU - 12/20 22:45:42
               RE: The work around is easy - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:07:37
                    You shouldn’t be taxed on taxes you paid - Spanky KU - 12/20 21:19:21
                         And taxpayers in Missouri should not have to subsidize - DHighlander NWMSU - 12/20 21:28:49
                              California and NY are two of about 14 "donor states" - Spanky KU - 12/20 21:40:25
                                   Barely considering CA has a $16K higher median income. - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 22:16:12
                                        Using SNAP as an indicator - meatiger MU - 12/20 22:24:58
                                             Common sense would be to start there.. but we need to bully - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 22:27:40
                                                  and don't forget that the military industrial complex - JeffB MU - 12/20 22:48:17
                                                  RE: Common sense would be to start there.. but we need to bully - meatiger MU - 12/20 22:31:17
                              RE: And taxpayers in Missouri should not have to subsidize - KC rules MU - 12/20 21:35:37
                                   It is not a Republican principle at all - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:40:14
                                        You are wrong - KC rules MU - 12/20 21:41:38
                                             No..you are wrong - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:45:01
                                                  RE: No..you are wrong - KC rules MU - 12/20 21:47:39
                                                       RE: No..you are wrong - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:51:36
                                                            Fair enough - KC rules MU - 12/20 21:55:25
                                                                 I care more about the spending side - meatiger MU - 12/20 22:03:20
                                                                      RE: I care more about the spending side - KC rules MU - 12/20 22:07:07
                                                                           RE: I care more about the spending side - meatiger MU - 12/20 22:09:11
                                                                                RE: I care more about the spending side - KC rules MU - 12/20 22:18:29
                                                                                'I used to support the Dems' - Do you vote? - JeffB MU - 12/20 22:17:42
                                                                                     I have never voted a single party across the ticket - meatiger MU - 12/20 22:19:45
                         RE: You shouldn’t be taxed on taxes you paid - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:25:07
                              I don’t. I get to keep more of my money - Spanky KU - 12/20 21:29:21
                                   No - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:39:26
                                        No..I get to keep more of my money - Spanky KU - 12/20 21:42:05
                                             So ... - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:47:25
     Good.. high tax states should suffer.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 20:24:28
     States that overtax their residents will take it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/20 20:15:37
          You realize that - meatiger MU - 12/20 20:43:30
               WI is number 10 for state taxes in terms of % - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/20 20:51:04
                    RE: WI is number 10 for state taxes in terms of % - meatiger MU - 12/20 20:53:09
                         Wow, Illinois is #1. With all of that tax revenue they must - JeffB MU - 12/20 21:04:38
                              RE: Wow, Illinois is #1. With all of that tax revenue they must - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:06:16
                                   If the federal government takes more than it needs like you - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/20 21:09:19
                                        RE: If the federal government takes more than it needs like you - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:13:12
                                             This post show exactly how stupid you are(nm) - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 12/21 02:09:28
                         Nah that is still off. California sales tax is 7.5%. - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 20:58:51
                              RE: Nah that is still off. California sales tax is 7.5%. - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:03:59
                              His numbers are all subjective based on indexing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/20 21:02:01
                                   Subjective?? - meatiger MU - 12/20 21:04:47
                         Yes if talking about total tax burden - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/20 20:56:08
               Bullshirt - Ferg STL - 12/20 20:44:42
                    RE: Bullshirt - meatiger MU - 12/20 20:49:54
                    Nm - Ferg STL - 12/20 20:46:57
          Or they can undertaxed toilets like Michigan(nm) - Gyro MU - 12/20 20:28:57
               Michigan ain’t all bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 12/20 20:30:51
          I'm sure the pubs in those states will get punished - as - tigerdb MU - 12/20 20:28:27
               Tricks States May Use to Get Around the SALT Deduction... - JeffB MU - 12/20 20:37:19
               Well, I live in CA so I am getting hosed - Ferg STL - 12/20 20:36:38
                    Again - what is the rationale for corps deducting SALT, - tigerdb MU - 12/20 20:47:38
                         I can see the logic in your position. I suppose if I tried - JeffB MU - 12/20 21:01:17
                         Apply that to your neighbor.. if it is ok for the govt - TigerMatt MU - 12/20 20:49:40
                              whut the hell are you talking about, picklewannabee?(nm) - tigerdb MU - 12/20 21:18:28




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