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Let's discuss this a bit. You seem to bristle at the idea
Posted on: October 13, 2017 at 12:15:58 CT
JeffB MU
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that there are two main choices here, which I gave as, "government" or "no government". Do you think there are additional choices in that regard?
What are your personal views on the topic? Are you against any and all government? Or do you think that there should be some government?
If you think that there should be some government, should it be able to use force, or the threat of force, or just pass regulations rather than actual laws that have consequences?
meatiger: He talks about the force of the state being a problem (ironically something he is fully for in truth),
I think that the force of the state can be a problem, but is not necessarily so. It all boils down to whether or not that force or threat of force is used for good or for evil... whether it is limited to what it should be used for, or whether it oversteps its bounds, or is even used for outright evil purposes.
meatiger: but ignores the force of the church, especially the catholic church.
If you believe that there should be some government, rather than no government (anarchy), and that the government should have the ability to use force to enforce its laws, then the only real question is what those laws should be... and ultimately, what is truth.
That is truly the ultimate question on the table. You reject the truth of Christianity, whereas I believe that Christianity in fact points to the Truth.
The Sacred Scriptures, of course, teach that The Church is "the pillar and bulwark of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).
So, it comes down to a search for the truth. What is your evidence or reasoning for the idea that there is no God?
Where did everything come from sans God? ... a virtual (or literal) infinite amount of mass, energy, time and space... and the physical laws that make it function in the way that it does?
What are your personal views on the topic? Are you against any and all government? Or do you think that there should be some government?
If you think that there should be some government, should it be able to use force, or the threat of force, or just pass regulations rather than actual laws that have consequences?
meatiger: He talks about the force of the state being a problem (ironically something he is fully for in truth),
I think that the force of the state can be a problem, but is not necessarily so. It all boils down to whether or not that force or threat of force is used for good or for evil... whether it is limited to what it should be used for, or whether it oversteps its bounds, or is even used for outright evil purposes.
meatiger: but ignores the force of the church, especially the catholic church.
If you believe that there should be some government, rather than no government (anarchy), and that the government should have the ability to use force to enforce its laws, then the only real question is what those laws should be... and ultimately, what is truth.
That is truly the ultimate question on the table. You reject the truth of Christianity, whereas I believe that Christianity in fact points to the Truth.
The Sacred Scriptures, of course, teach that The Church is "the pillar and bulwark of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).
So, it comes down to a search for the truth. What is your evidence or reasoning for the idea that there is no God?
Where did everything come from sans God? ... a virtual (or literal) infinite amount of mass, energy, time and space... and the physical laws that make it function in the way that it does?
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Let's discuss this a bit. You seem to bristle at the idea - JeffB MU - 10/13 12:15:58