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Come on matt. You are entitled to your opinion, but you

Posted on: July 24, 2017 at 13:19:40 CT
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are not entitled to disregard laws that you think are wrong or poorly written.

Many people, me for one disagree with you.

If you own a business you may NOT, per the law and in accord with my opinion, deny service or products to anyone because of race, sex or religion.

We had this conversation on the board re the gaze wanting a wedding cake. The baker must provide the same services and products to anyone willing to pay. He is not required in my interpretation to perform special tasks or custom make products for anyone for whatever reasons he chooses. If it's on the shelf, he has to sell it.

But he does not have to bake if he's black in this example, for a klansman who wants a cake depicting a lynching or cross burning. I've posted that example before.

Do you really think it's ok not to sell a house to blacks?

You and i have different opinions. Why does yours take precedence, especially when the laws as written agree with me?
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Should this be allowed at a ballpark? Who decides? - hokie VT - 7/24 11:18:51
     The decision is up to the Indians organization - ummmm MU - 7/24 12:11:45
     should be decided by MLB/Indians(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/24 11:44:23
          Just like turning down a cake for a gay wedding - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:08:03
               agreed - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:08:27
                    Yeo and watch them lose their business.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 13:14:24
               Or hiring an uninsured or un-bonded contractor (nm) - ummmm MU - 7/24 12:46:37
                    GASP! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 7/24 13:41:39
     The Indians baseball team can decide. The - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 11:37:08
          Unless the city paid for the stadium and the team is renting - tigerNkc MU - 7/24 13:24:27
               Gvmt has no property rights - pickle MU - 7/24 13:25:41
          Fine. What would you do? nm - hokie VT - 7/24 11:38:25
               From what perspective. The fan complaining or - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 11:45:37
                    Either or both. If you owned the injuns, and saw this - hokie VT - 7/24 11:49:47
                         1) If I were a business owner, I would - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 11:54:49
                              And he won't cover, 1st amendment he says. There is - hokie VT - 7/24 11:58:49
                                   the 1st amendment isn't even an issue here - the feds - 90Tiger MU - 7/24 13:43:24
                                   What makes you think only blacks - mizzoumurfkc MU - 7/24 12:25:28
                                        Did i say that? Never mind. You win. nm - hokie VT - 7/24 12:36:13
                                             You said enough...LOL - mizzoumurfkc MU - 7/24 12:41:35
                                   It's not a constitutional issue - pickle MU - 7/24 12:04:10
                                   1st Amendment only applies to government. - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:03:47
                                        I'm no lawyer, but public accommodation may come in - hokie VT - 7/24 12:10:34
                                             You can if it is your own house. Unfortunately - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:15:25
                                                  Correction: the business HAS the right, but gvmt infringes (nm) - pickle MU - 7/24 12:42:31
                                                  IYO they have no right. Some may disagree. The - hokie VT - 7/24 12:38:08
                                                       You listed examples of people and government - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:45:49
                                                            IYO. But fair housing laws and EEO are the law. nm - hokie VT - 7/24 12:48:15
                                                                 It's not opinion - pickle MU - 7/24 13:22:53
                                                                 So? You just highlight the government overreaches - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:58:47
                                                                      That is all opinion. Your opinion. Because you don't like - hokie VT - 7/24 13:04:39
                                                                           It's not opinion. (nm) - pickle MU - 7/24 13:23:34
                                                                           The law is wrong. So what if the courts upheld it. - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 13:08:57
                                                                                Come on matt. You are entitled to your opinion, but you - hokie VT - 7/24 13:19:40
                                                                                     It's NOT opinion - pickle MU - 7/24 13:24:50
                                                                                     In my opinion, there are two parts at play - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:23:16
                                                                                          IIRC, you assumed your decision had the force of law or - hokie VT - 7/24 13:31:01
                                                                                               you asked what I would do - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:36:22
                                                       It's not opinion (nm) - pickle MU - 7/24 12:42:45
                                             It doesn't. your question is one of rights - pickle MU - 7/24 12:14:10
                         Offended by the American Flag - meatiger MU - 7/24 11:54:11
                              You think people who burn that flag are not offended by it? - hokie VT - 7/24 12:00:00
                                   yeah - meatiger MU - 7/24 12:01:54
                                        I thought I remembered something like that. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/24 12:06:37
                                             when was that from - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:16:11
                                             That could never happen. Just ask the low info types. nm - hokie VT - 7/24 12:12:16
                                                  It's almost like he was being sarcastic.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 7/24 12:40:51
                                        It's what i get for trying to have a conversation about - hokie VT - 7/24 12:03:22
                                             abotu principles - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:05:21
                                                  You're so sweet. You can't comprehend that some people - hokie VT - 7/24 13:07:39
                                                       I know there are mean people - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:09:41
                                                            I applauded who, exactly? Your trying too hard. You are - hokie VT - 7/24 13:22:33
                                                                 No need to try hard with you - meatiger MU - 7/24 13:30:27
                                                                      The question was whom did i applaud. Too tough? nm - hokie VT - 7/24 13:33:58
                              So what if somebody is offended by anything? - Alferd Packer MU - 7/24 11:59:00
               I would do what the Indians appeared to have done - meatiger MU - 7/24 11:45:31
                    OK, you ask him to cover it, he refuses. You ask him to - hokie VT - 7/24 11:52:41
                         You don't have a right of free speech on his property (nm) - pickle MU - 7/24 12:03:16
                         Read the back of the ticket stub. - Alferd Packer MU - 7/24 12:02:50
                         you are on private property - meatiger MU - 7/24 11:55:34
                              What if my MAGA hat offends some fans? It's still - hokie VT - 7/24 12:02:08
                                   The business owner decides. Why do you not understand - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 12:04:31
                                        Can he decide that no one with a hillary tee shirt can - hokie VT - 7/24 12:13:27
                                             Yes. Yes. There is no line. It's the right of property owner - pickle MU - 7/24 12:15:22
                         You have no right to free speech on private property.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 7/24 11:55:27
               Mind my own business (nm) - pickle MU - 7/24 11:40:21
     If you were actually mature enough to discuss - pickle MU - 7/24 11:21:55
          Well thats right nice of you Benjamin Franklin - Uncle Fester USMC - 7/24 11:41:27
               If that were true, you wouldn't desire to infringe on others - pickle MU - 7/24 11:48:45




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