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Posted on: May 1, 2017 at 16:20:52 CT

tigerspy MU

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They are not separate.

The Civil War was started by the North (Fort Sumter could have been ignored) when they sent an army into Virginia to force the southern states to rejoin (or nullify secession) after the southern states seceded. The southern states seceded because the balance of power had shifted decisively to the north, and they believed that the north was going to impose their will upon the south, primarily by ending slavery.

The root of the whole mess has always been, and always will be, slavery.

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Debunking the Civil War Tariff Myth - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:26:17

I have read the declarations of secession of most of the CSA - Alferd Packer MU

- 5/1 15:49:29

On May 1, 1833, Andrew Jackson wrote, "the tariff was only - Spanky KU - 5/1 16:04:55

They don't list tariffs among reasons for secession. - Alferd Packer MU

- 5/1 16:25:40

".... disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The - Spanky KU - 5/1 16:58:22

I think you read too much into that. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:15:16

Then explain what Jackson meant... - Spanky KU - 5/1 17:07:36

You have never read anything by Davis or you would - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:17:58

I've read way too much about the Civil War. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:28:46

you have not read Jefferson Davis or you - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:29:52

Davis afterward became a proponent of Southerners - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:32:04

he would be appalled at an asshat like you making - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:33:47

I haven't read everything he wrote, that is true. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:34:46

You havent read anything or you would cut this lying bs - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:33

Shelby Foote's three volumes is a great start. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:36:41

or maybe his actual writings might be a better place - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:38:42

He is quoted at length. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:41:50

well here is one - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:42:38

Like I wrote - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:44:20

lol.. flail away clown(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:44:45

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:48:37

you cant refute **** and I am having a great time - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:49:48

Why did the southern states secede? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:50:50

Cant refute ****(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:51:34

You can't. Looks like I win again. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:52:46

yeah you won lying ass poster of the day again(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:21

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:43

BWAHAHAHAHA(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:54:56

I win. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:17

tell us more about Davis...lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:01

You can. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:02:58

no you should.. you getting caught lying is hilarious(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:03:55

Didn't most people at the time know that slavery was going - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:15:08

I don't understand the motivation to try and downplay the - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:44:44

Your article is very light on original sources regarding - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:41:38

Thankfully, the southern states explicitly wrote it out: - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:45:14

You and the other moron Mr. Bluelies think a bunch - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:50:49

yup (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:59:58

Do you think they fought over tariffs?(nm) - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:54:30

hey numbnuts follow along(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:54:50

Nope. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:52:55

Yea you do, you are a clown(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:53:17

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:54:31

no you are a revisionist who is ignorant of history(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:55:10

Sorry, revisionist "tariff" argument completely debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:58:34

So why did Lincoln say if he could win this war without - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:01:07

Because he was trying to preserve the Union. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:02:59

no that makes no sense, why would he say that - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:03:41

He wanted to end the war on his terms - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:05:22

lol(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:06:00

Are you suggesting Lincoln was lying? - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:08:33

no you are, but hey there over 7000 post of you doing it - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:09:15

What am I lying about? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:15:45

You have no clue about this topic - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:17:13

No, you posted the debunked revisionist link. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:24:42

Lincoln has already debunked you and your nonsense - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:25:20

The root cause was slavery. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:26:52

it was not slavery and your revisionist nonsense - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:29:19

Slavery the root of it all. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:30:51

Economic reasons.. and it was not slavery - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:31:51

Slavery was the engine of the South's economy. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:32:50

nope.. refute Lincoln should be easy for a person - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:34:34

Refute what Lincoln believed? - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:35:24

not believed...lol more nonsense(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:59

I can't change his mind. He's dead Jim. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:49:09

you can lie and you do(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:50:05

He was free to believe what he wanted. Same as you. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:51:17

really idiot.. you cant refute the actual guy at the center - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:52:19

Why would I? It's irrelevant. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:19

yeah actual fact is irrelevant to you(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:51

Fact is the root cause is slavery. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:00

not according to Davis and Lincoln.. lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:51

They sure spent a lot of time on the slavery issue. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:03:38

I wonder you have a problem with facts..oh wait you are a - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:04:20

not even close, but you saying obviously makes you - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:59:27

CTRL-F: "Tariff" - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:49:46

Try 1828(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:51:17

Zero results for that either.(nm) - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:53:31

google the Tariff of 1828.. good grief.(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:54:34

Why did none of the states mention it in their secession - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:56:35

What was the emancipation proclamation?(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:58:14

Read up.. just once read(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:57:32

Can you answer the question? - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:00:53

Read about the tariff(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:01:51

Debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:03:21

Obviously it's debunked. Anyone downplaying slavery and - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:05:22

you probably think 600k people needed to die also(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:11:19

or a complete liar like you who read some **** on - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:06:42

nope, you cant answer why Lincoln would say what he did - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:04:27

Yes, the causes of secession. - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:47:54

It sure as hell wasn't tariffs either then. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:49:43

Right, it was power and control - pickle MU

- 5/1 16:00:42

Yes, that is correct. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:03:56

No (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/1 16:43:39

Aren't you trying to prove the cause of the civil war? - ummmm MU - 5/1 16:09:59

They are tied together. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:20:52

Lincoln himself said it wasnt about slavery.. - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:23:12

He said it was about preserving the Union. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:25:42

he said to Horace Greeley its not about slavery - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:26:51

He was wrong. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:34:08

revisionism(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:06

I just believe what the Southerns wrote about why - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:36:11

no you dont, you found a link that fits your false narrative - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:39:43

They say slavery, I believe them. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:41:11

Lincoln says otherwise and you cant refute it - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:43:07

You're conflating the Civil War and secession. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:48:19

You are one dumb ass liberal(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:50:30

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:51:25

and use actual fact and you cant BWAHAHAHAH(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:02

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:34

dont be mad because your lies got exposed - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:54:34

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:30

its easy to do to a liar like you(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:23

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:03:48

you lost due to lying.. and you suck at it lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:04:44

Okay... (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:54:30

What set it in motion dipstick?(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:51:37

Slavery. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:53:10

RE: Your article is very light on original sources regarding - Spanky KU - 5/1 15:43:16

Okay... (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:46:19

There is one absolutely irrefutable fact first and - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:33:21

That means nothing. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:43:04

that doesn't imply what you think it does, GA. It doesn't - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:36:13

not even close(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:35:57

let me guess, you think the civil war was fought to end - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:31:23

To end slavery? No. About slavery? Yes. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:34:45

why didn't Lincoln abolish slavery in that case?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 5/1 15:41:09

Because he needed enough support from south to - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 16:38:05

Then what prompted Lincoln to go from a state of - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:37:20

The southern states secession. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:39:27

Let me help you. No. It was fought primarily - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:34:36

So it wasn't fought over slavery, correct. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:38:25

You didnt debunk ****, but hey you tried - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:30:47

I didn't debunk it, the author of the piece did. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:34:29

no he didnt either(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:35:29

Slam dunked debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:36:51

stuffed by the front of the rim(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:37:34

Flim flam got ram jammed. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:38:20

tigerlie shoots another air ball brick..(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:39:21

Air ball bricks are as imaginary as legit arguments tariffs - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:40:53

You are clueless and its fun and sad to watch.. keep going(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:41:29

Nah, my march to the sea is complete. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:42:42

and you drowned(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:43:09

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