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I think you read too much into that.

Posted on: May 1, 2017 at 16:15:16 CT

tigerspy MU

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From reading Jefferson Davis and other southerners from the time, most of them thought they were carrying on the true spirit of the founding fathers - and that succession was not an ultimate goal, but the ultimate means of last resort.

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Debunking the Civil War Tariff Myth - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:26:17

I have read the declarations of secession of most of the CSA - Alferd Packer MU

- 5/1 15:49:29

On May 1, 1833, Andrew Jackson wrote, "the tariff was only - Spanky KU - 5/1 16:04:55

They don't list tariffs among reasons for secession. - Alferd Packer MU

- 5/1 16:25:40

".... disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The - Spanky KU - 5/1 16:58:22

I think you read too much into that. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:15:16

Then explain what Jackson meant... - Spanky KU - 5/1 17:07:36

You have never read anything by Davis or you would - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:17:58

I've read way too much about the Civil War. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:28:46

you have not read Jefferson Davis or you - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:29:52

Davis afterward became a proponent of Southerners - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:32:04

he would be appalled at an asshat like you making - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:33:47

I haven't read everything he wrote, that is true. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:34:46

You havent read anything or you would cut this lying bs - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:33

Shelby Foote's three volumes is a great start. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:36:41

or maybe his actual writings might be a better place - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:38:42

He is quoted at length. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:41:50

well here is one - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:42:38

Like I wrote - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:44:20

lol.. flail away clown(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:44:45

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:48:37

you cant refute **** and I am having a great time - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:49:48

Why did the southern states secede? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:50:50

Cant refute ****(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:51:34

You can't. Looks like I win again. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:52:46

yeah you won lying ass poster of the day again(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:21

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:43

BWAHAHAHAHA(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:54:56

I win. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:17

tell us more about Davis...lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:01

You can. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:02:58

no you should.. you getting caught lying is hilarious(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:03:55

Didn't most people at the time know that slavery was going - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:15:08

I don't understand the motivation to try and downplay the - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:44:44

Your article is very light on original sources regarding - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:41:38

Thankfully, the southern states explicitly wrote it out: - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:45:14

You and the other moron Mr. Bluelies think a bunch - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:50:49

yup (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:59:58

Do you think they fought over tariffs?(nm) - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:54:30

hey numbnuts follow along(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:54:50

Nope. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:52:55

Yea you do, you are a clown(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:53:17

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:54:31

no you are a revisionist who is ignorant of history(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:55:10

Sorry, revisionist "tariff" argument completely debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:58:34

So why did Lincoln say if he could win this war without - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:01:07

Because he was trying to preserve the Union. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:02:59

no that makes no sense, why would he say that - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:03:41

He wanted to end the war on his terms - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:05:22

lol(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:06:00

Are you suggesting Lincoln was lying? - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:08:33

no you are, but hey there over 7000 post of you doing it - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:09:15

What am I lying about? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:15:45

You have no clue about this topic - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:17:13

No, you posted the debunked revisionist link. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:24:42

Lincoln has already debunked you and your nonsense - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:25:20

The root cause was slavery. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:26:52

it was not slavery and your revisionist nonsense - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:29:19

Slavery the root of it all. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:30:51

Economic reasons.. and it was not slavery - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:31:51

Slavery was the engine of the South's economy. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:32:50

nope.. refute Lincoln should be easy for a person - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:34:34

Refute what Lincoln believed? - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:35:24

not believed...lol more nonsense(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:59

I can't change his mind. He's dead Jim. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:49:09

you can lie and you do(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:50:05

He was free to believe what he wanted. Same as you. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:51:17

really idiot.. you cant refute the actual guy at the center - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:52:19

Why would I? It's irrelevant. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:19

yeah actual fact is irrelevant to you(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:51

Fact is the root cause is slavery. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:00

not according to Davis and Lincoln.. lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:51

They sure spent a lot of time on the slavery issue. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:03:38

I wonder you have a problem with facts..oh wait you are a - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:04:20

not even close, but you saying obviously makes you - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:59:27

CTRL-F: "Tariff" - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:49:46

Try 1828(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:51:17

Zero results for that either.(nm) - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:53:31

google the Tariff of 1828.. good grief.(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:54:34

Why did none of the states mention it in their secession - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 15:56:35

What was the emancipation proclamation?(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:58:14

Read up.. just once read(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:57:32

Can you answer the question? - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:00:53

Read about the tariff(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:01:51

Debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:03:21

Obviously it's debunked. Anyone downplaying slavery and - StaleyTiger MU - 5/1 16:05:22

you probably think 600k people needed to die also(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:11:19

or a complete liar like you who read some **** on - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:06:42

nope, you cant answer why Lincoln would say what he did - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:04:27

Yes, the causes of secession. - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:47:54

It sure as hell wasn't tariffs either then. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:49:43

Right, it was power and control - pickle MU

- 5/1 16:00:42

Yes, that is correct. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:03:56

No (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/1 16:43:39

Aren't you trying to prove the cause of the civil war? - ummmm MU - 5/1 16:09:59

They are tied together. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:20:52

Lincoln himself said it wasnt about slavery.. - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:23:12

He said it was about preserving the Union. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:25:42

he said to Horace Greeley its not about slavery - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:26:51

He was wrong. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:34:08

revisionism(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:35:06

I just believe what the Southerns wrote about why - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:36:11

no you dont, you found a link that fits your false narrative - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:39:43

They say slavery, I believe them. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:41:11

Lincoln says otherwise and you cant refute it - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:43:07

You're conflating the Civil War and secession. - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:48:19

You are one dumb ass liberal(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:50:30

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:51:25

and use actual fact and you cant BWAHAHAHAH(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:53:02

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:53:34

dont be mad because your lies got exposed - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:54:34

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 16:55:30

its easy to do to a liar like you(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 16:56:23

I win because all you can do is insult. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 17:03:48

you lost due to lying.. and you suck at it lmao(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 17:04:44

Okay... (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:54:30

What set it in motion dipstick?(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:51:37

Slavery. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:53:10

RE: Your article is very light on original sources regarding - Spanky KU - 5/1 15:43:16

Okay... (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:46:19

There is one absolutely irrefutable fact first and - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:33:21

That means nothing. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/1 15:43:04

that doesn't imply what you think it does, GA. It doesn't - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:36:13

not even close(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:35:57

let me guess, you think the civil war was fought to end - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:31:23

To end slavery? No. About slavery? Yes. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:34:45

why didn't Lincoln abolish slavery in that case?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 5/1 15:41:09

Because he needed enough support from south to - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 16:38:05

Then what prompted Lincoln to go from a state of - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:37:20

The southern states secession. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:39:27

Let me help you. No. It was fought primarily - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:34:36

So it wasn't fought over slavery, correct. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/1 15:38:25

You didnt debunk ****, but hey you tried - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:30:47

I didn't debunk it, the author of the piece did. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:34:29

no he didnt either(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:35:29

Slam dunked debunked. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:36:51

stuffed by the front of the rim(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:37:34

Flim flam got ram jammed. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:38:20

tigerlie shoots another air ball brick..(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:39:21

Air ball bricks are as imaginary as legit arguments tariffs - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:40:53

You are clueless and its fun and sad to watch.. keep going(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:41:29

Nah, my march to the sea is complete. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 5/1 15:42:42

and you drowned(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 5/1 15:43:09

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