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Posted on: March 25, 2017 at 11:19:01 CT
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inasmuch as you were incapable or disinterested in seeing the logical extension of your argument, i pointed it out.

The logical conclusion of the socialist argument, shared by you (please don't say i called you a socialist) is that people who have done well or reasonably well are not entitled to their own money. They have enough.

But the people who have lived carelessly or even recklessly are entitled to the money of the person who has done well.

Fairness.

The underlying assumption to this and most socialist ideas is that everyone is the same. In terms of intellect, ability and ambition. The only thing that determines why one person succeeds and another lives in a trailer cooking crystal meth with his six illegitimate children by five women, is luck.

And that's not fair.

Oh, and racism. That's not fair, either.

This is the part where the idiots say, "We're just trying to level the playing field." No, you're trying to level the outcome. After the race on an already level playing field, one guy finished ten yards ahead of the other runner. That's not fair. So make the race a tie. Let them share the prize equally.

The guy who "won," worked and trained and did without many of the things he would have liked, in order to do as well as possible in the race (i.e., life). The other guy was the layabout. Never worked, never trained, never cared for his family.

So both must be treated fairly, which means equally to the socialists, and share the prize.

Equality is unfair unless it is equally earned.

I've posted before about the HS student my wife and i mentor through our church. He is poor. Lives in a trailer, can't afford his computer so we bought it. Can't afford internet service so we pay for it. He gets help from others as well.

I told him that his life is tougher than most. No whining, don't want to hear it. I told him he can complain and say how unfair everything is and in twenty years he'll be on welfare living in a subsidized trailer like he is now.

HIs HS is fairly affluent for this area. Lots of professor's kid who have fancy clothes, fancy cell phone (his runs out of money at the end of each month) and parents who drop the kids off in mercedes. He takes the bus.

I told him he's starting behind where the "rich kids" got to start from. Get over it. He told me once a few years ago that his rec basketball league had a team with some rich kids that had fancy warm up uniforms and he hated them for that. I asked him why he hated the kids who are doing the same thing he wants to do... Should they not have nice things to spare his feelings?

I told him of REAL poverty i saw in south america and the carribean and told them kids there would love to have a trailer with a toilet and running water.

Stop whining.

This kid will go to college. (Or i'll kill him.) He has ability and drive and a good heart. But no father and no money and a mom who works sometimes and cannot afford a car or a computer.

It's not fair.

Deal with it.

His life is his responsibility. It will turn out well because of the work he put in, not because the government assigned him a successful life.
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Something of a read, but please bear with me... - molon labe KC - 3/25 09:59:19
     Lol lazy libtards are predictable (nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 3/25 10:55:58
          RE: Lol lazy libtards are predictable (nm) - molon labe KC - 3/25 10:59:28
               Your posts prove your stupidity (nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 3/25 11:02:30
                    RE: Your posts prove your stupidity (nm) - molon labe KC - 3/25 11:04:37
               Dont steal others peoples **** you hack(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:00:33
                    RE: Dont steal others peoples **** you hack(nm) - molon labe KC - 3/25 11:02:30
                         try using the search engine you pos hack(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:03:03
                              RE: try using the search engine you pos hack(nm) - molon labe KC - 3/25 11:08:13
                                   No one claimed that you lazy liberal.. - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:09:43
                                        RE: No one claimed that you lazy liberal.. - molon labe KC - 3/25 11:11:36
                                             oh more unoriginal **** from an old hack.. - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:13:06
                                                  RE: oh more unoriginal **** from an old hack.. - molon labe KC - 3/25 11:14:39
                                                       you aint got **** thats why.. so run along before - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:15:49
     RE: Something of a read, but please bear with me... - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 10:49:35
          PUNISHED ?? - pull your head out of your ass - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:53:23
               RE: PUNISHED ?? - pull your head out of your ass - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:23:47
                    Thus my suggestion that it could be worked out - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 11:46:24
                         RE: Thus my suggestion that it could be worked out - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 12:02:23
                              True statement(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 12:08:33
                                   RE: True statement(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 12:10:45
                                        Yes. That's well known. Reagan was in there too - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 12:51:56
                                             RE: Yes. That's well known. Reagan was in there too - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 14:31:12
                                                  Why did you need an ! on that - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 19:17:36
     So you like the idea of INCREASING forced income - GA Tiger MU - 3/25 10:49:26
          RE: So you like the idea of INCREASING forced income - molon labe KC - 3/25 10:55:22
               Yet, pols must be the ones to do something. First - GA Tiger MU - 3/25 13:40:37
     Means testing is the opposite of what should be done - Ferg STL - 3/25 10:35:04
          Benefits pension plans were done away with long ago. - DC Jayhawk KU - 3/25 11:38:25
               RE: Benefits pension plans were done away with long ago. - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:40:12
          RE: Means testing is the opposite of what should be done - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:08:49
          There is a very good reason the pensions are so good - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:38:19
               that's bull shirt - Ferg STL - 3/25 10:41:06
                    RE: that's bull shirt - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 10:52:18
                         And wouldn't understand anyway.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 3/25 13:43:22
                    RE: that's bull shirt - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:48:06
     Entitlements will cause our default. The question is when? - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/25 10:16:28
          RE: Entitlements will cause our default. The question is when? - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:02:07
          "And yes, taxes need to be raised." - pickle MU - 3/25 10:27:46
               RE: "And yes, taxes need to be raised." - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:03:54
               It's called reality pickle. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/25 10:30:18
                    Yes, the reality is you constantly defer to bigger gvmt - pickle MU - 3/25 10:31:17
                         You're the idiot who can't accept less govt, only zero govt. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/25 10:41:57
                              NEWS FLASH: THERE IS NEVER GOING TO BE - Evenflow MU - 3/25 10:52:00
                              The reality is once more, you said you want more taxes - pickle MU - 3/25 10:50:47
          RE: Entitlements will cause our default. The question is when? - molon labe KC - 3/25 10:19:37
               RE: Entitlements will cause our default. The question is when? - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:06:32
               figures you dont - MizSecZou MU - 3/25 11:03:50
     It's all about one thing and one thing only - pickle MU - 3/25 10:16:22
     RE: Something of a read, but please bear with me... - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:09:09
          I want it eliminated completely - pickle MU - 3/25 10:18:58
               RE: I want it eliminated completely - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:16:21
          Name one powerful force who wants to see it - Evenflow MU - 3/25 10:13:48
               RE: Name one powerful force who wants to see it - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:20:12
               RE: Name one powerful force who wants to see it - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:39:53
          RE: So, if you work hard all your life, spend frugally, invest - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:27:45
          When I look at my ss statement, I cringe. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/25 10:20:47
               RE: When I look at my ss statement, I cringe. - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:36:18
               Sometimes things are done for the common good not just - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:41:18
                    what's the unmotivated bum's contribution to the common good - TigerFan92 MU - 3/25 10:58:17
                         Wow. Poor folks bother you. Just wow(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 12:09:22
                              He didn't say anything about poor people (nm) - pickle MU - 3/25 12:20:56
                                   OH, he meant the rich unmotivated bums. My bad(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 12:53:16
                              RE: Wow. Poor folks bother you. Just wow(nm) - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 12:19:49
                    Why do you insist on enabling, encouraging failure? - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/25 10:46:30
                         I reject Social Darwinism. You don't. Fine.(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:49:01
                              no one is calling for Social Darwinism. - pickle MU - 3/25 10:51:43
          No one pays money into social security (nm) - pickle MU - 3/25 10:16:56
               RE: No one pays money into social security (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:29:30
          RE: So, if you work hard all your life, spend frugally, invest - molon labe KC - 3/25 10:10:16
               I did not mean to imply that those were your thoughts. But - hokie VT - 3/25 11:19:01
     Phase out Social Security and Medicare. - Evenflow MU - 3/25 10:06:42
          RE: Phase out Social Security and Medicare. - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:31:54
          Spent much time in Calcutta ? - raskolnikov MU - 3/25 10:12:14
               RE: Spent much time in Calcutta ? - MOCO SON MU - 3/25 11:33:28
               You're an idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 3/25 10:17:38
               Wait. Am I the 'powerful force' who wants it dismantled?(nm) - Evenflow MU - 3/25 10:14:36
          i.e., sink the Titanic. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 3/25 10:08:32




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