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The US Constitution: the commerce clause. Class in session

Posted on: February 15, 2017 at 09:44:43 CT
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Article I, Section 8:
"The Congress shall have power...to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"

First up is the word regulate. Remember that the Constitution is a dead document, which means that the words and phrases as they were known and understood at the time of writing, debates, and ratification are to be applied. NOT contemporary use.

Regulate meant to maintain, keep regular, calibrated, highly functioning (or trained, such as a "well-regulated militia"). This is the proper meaning of the word when holding government to the Constitution and recognizing what is and what isn't constitutional. It does not mean control or govern. The goal was to not restrict commerce, not put the gvmt in control of commerce.


Next up notice the prepositional objects in the clause. There are only three: nations, states, tribes. In other words, governments. Not individuals, not business, but governments.


If it's not mentioned, the federal government does not have constitutional authority. The Constitution is a dead document
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The US Constitution: the commerce clause. Class in session - pickle MU - 2/15 09:44:43
     You are clueless, again. There is no commerce between - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:13:19
          You're making things up again - pickle MU - 2/15 10:22:59
               RE: You're making things up again - MOCO SON MU - 2/15 10:49:18
                    You meant that for DH (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:52:12
               What commerce is the state of Missouri involved in? - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:34:58
                    No, DH - pickle MU - 2/15 10:38:59
                         You are back to your standard practice here. You redefine - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:45:23
                              of course. who does pickle think is manufacturing and selli - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:49:43
                              I haven't redefined anything, DH - pickle MU - 2/15 10:48:20
                                   I read every bit of tripe you have written on this subject. - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:55:40
                                        What word did I redefine - pickle MU - 2/15 11:03:14
                                             I pointed both mistakes. You redefined commerce to cut out - DHighlander KC - 2/15 11:22:34
                                                  DH, simple question - pickle MU - 2/15 11:30:51
                                                       LESS government is not NO government. - DHighlander KC - 2/15 11:49:52
                                                            I didn't say or ask about "NO government" - pickle MU - 2/15 11:53:33
                                                  I never even defined commerce, DH - pickle MU - 2/15 11:24:40
                                   More "educating" from pickle. Take the chip off your should - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:52:00
               you couldn't be more wrong - gerbil MU - 2/15 10:25:24
                    I'm correct, regardless of what your ku professors taught (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:30:53
          As a more philosophical question, what is the benefit of - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:17:27
               Simple, intrastate trade is purely a local issue and can be - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:38:15
                    That doesn't address my question. What is BENEFIT of it? - ummmm MU - 2/15 11:02:09
                         Damned! Read slowly. It facilitates trade across borders. - DHighlander KC - 2/15 11:25:50
                              You didn't answer his question. (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 11:29:04
                    That isn't what he asked. You didn't even address his Q (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:53:18
               RE: As a more philosophical question, what is the benefit of - MOCO SON MU - 2/15 10:23:19
                    That doesn't answer my question. - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:27:34
          The commerce clause was intended to facilitate not restrict - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:14:11
               Yes and facilitating includes rules that must be followed by - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:29:31
                    That is not facilitating trade, that is inhibiting it. - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:56:57
                    No, DH (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:34:55
                         Yes, Pickle. And I have the backing of all 50 state houses - DHighlander KC - 2/15 10:40:27
                              Ah, and now the logical fallacies (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:48:55
                                   Pickle - educating the world, one person at a time in - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:14:48
               I thought you and pickle believed govt can't facilitate nor - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:25:48
                    Just sit this out, 90 - pickle MU - 2/15 10:31:29
                         RE: Just sit this out, 90 - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:52:38
                         blow me, pickle (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:44:07
                              You poor baby (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 11:08:17
                                   Just sit this one out, pumpkin (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:13:45
                    I said the "commerce clause" was intended - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:27:02
                         You think the framers decided that the US govt - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:29:17
                              It's not about gvmts trading with each other - pickle MU - 2/15 10:33:19
                                   you and ummmm need a huddle to get the story - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:44:58
                                        Nothing we said is in conflict, pudding (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:49:17
                                             of course it is. You adamantly stated the commerce clause - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:51:10
                                                  I never said gvmt to gvmt trade, DH - pickle MU - 2/15 10:54:01
                                                       Your friggin' words you imbecile - it was the emphasis of - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:57:34
                                                            Good lord, Jeff. - pickle MU - 2/15 11:01:46
                                                                 your words, buttercup (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:07:19
                                                                      No, Jeff - pickle MU - 2/15 11:08:41
                                                                           Your words, darling (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:15:09
                                                                                No, Jeff, your poor inference. (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 11:21:31
                                                                                     Once you accept Pickle's authority to redefine troubling - DHighlander KC - 2/15 11:33:54
                                                                                          What word did I redefine? Could you link to that post? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 11:54:34
                              Yes. There was a worry that each state would put - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:32:34
                                   tariffs are on goods traded between businesses, ummmm. - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:45:41
                                        I didn't say gvmt to gvmt trade, DH (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:59:45
                                        You've misread this thread. It's not about gvmt to gvmt - ummmm MU - 2/15 10:55:30
                                             Because he's come at this emotionally - pickle MU - 2/15 11:06:55
                                             RE: You've misread this thread. It's not about gvmt to gvmt - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:02:11
                                                  Right, the restrictions of the commerce clause are placed - ummmm MU - 2/15 11:04:08
                                                       Read this and explain how you come up with that - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 11:09:08
                                                            RE: Read this and explain how you come up with that - ummmm MU - 2/15 13:19:59
                                                                 restricts the fed govt from restricting - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 13:57:11
                                                            You need to start with the word regulate - pickle MU - 2/15 11:22:39
                                                                 horse hockey. even using that definition, your words indica - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 12:04:03
                                                                      Ooohhhhh..... - pickle MU - 2/15 12:32:14
                                                                           No - ummmm brought that up you idiot, in this post - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 12:36:19
                                                                                Ohmygod (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 13:31:21
                                                                      Lol, no 90 - pickle MU - 2/15 12:25:55
               What does regulate mean? - Spanky KU - 2/15 10:21:01
                    RE: What does regulate mean? - pickle MU - 2/15 10:24:27
                         You are wrong about the definition as I showed you in my - Spanky KU - 2/15 10:41:56
                              Let's go back to the OP - pickle MU - 2/15 10:51:13
                                   Your source is WRONG!!!! - Spanky KU - 2/15 12:27:39
                                        You didn't read my post - pickle MU - 2/15 12:35:07
                                             It's ORIGIN was 1620 and accurately described - Spanky KU - 2/15 12:39:33
                                                  The origin is irrelevant here, Spanky (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 13:30:37
     Your view of the Constitution and it's "authority" - 90Tiger MU - 2/15 10:01:52
          There, there baby (nm) - pickle MU - 2/15 10:05:07
               Yes.. There! There! He showed you your own words that - Spanky KU - 2/15 10:07:51
     Hi pickle...I hope you had an awesome V Day yesterday (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 2/15 09:45:35




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