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When you think you'll have those without govt , yes.

Posted on: January 3, 2017 at 10:21:36 CT
RHAYWORTH MU
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Pretending that you can eliminate all govt, and humanity will peacefully co exist , based on a system of natural rights, is a delusion.

Pickle's fantasy depends on ignoring the chaos, pain, suffering that occurs during the process of eliminating all govt entirely, and that the history of mankind isn't sunshine, unicorns, and cooperation.

It's more war, conquest.

He'll have you believe billions can live peacefully with nothing more than good will, some natural rights bullshyte.

That's a delusion.
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GAT, because discussion of rights or the abstract - pickle MU - 1/3 09:31:51
     wrong board.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 1/3 09:58:06
     I reject your false premise. discussion? Hardly. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 09:46:32
          What is the false premise? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 09:58:42
          The rights to life, liberty, and property - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:54:10
               When you think you'll have those without govt , yes. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 10:21:36
                    Setting aside the contradictory conclusion that an entity - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:32:47
                         oh, that? well that's just a price for having govt tax us an - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 10:39:18
                    Natural rights exist regardless of the State - pickle MU - 1/3 10:30:29
                    so...when the US govt was created, why did they specifically - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 10:24:24
                         As usual, pickletopians remain obtuse. - RHAYWORTH MU - 1/3 10:32:14
                              Rights exist without gvmt; they are natural. - pickle MU - 1/3 10:55:30
                              rights exist, period, whether a govt or an individual "ensur - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 10:37:08
          pickle doesn't believe in natural rights - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 1/3 09:51:09
               then you aren't paying attention. let's start here: - pickle MU - 1/3 09:58:04
               lol, wut? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 09:52:15
     wrong board(nm) - tigerNkc KC - 1/3 09:40:23
     Possession of an illegal knife - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:35:17
          Why shouldnt anyone have a right to defend themselves?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/3 09:37:03
               that's why God gave you hands that can be curled into fists - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:37:57
                    Answer his question (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 10:01:04
                         hypocrite. - JeffB MU - 1/3 10:44:37
                    those dont work well against someone with a gun, knife, bat - hefeweizen MU - 1/3 09:41:03
                         Then carry something legal to defend yourself if you - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:45:26
                              $100 says Freddie Gray had no idea on its illegality (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:56:39
                                   Gray was no stranger to jail and the law.... I don't have - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:01:47
                                        The attorneys in the criminal case against one of the - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:03:57
                                             The headline - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:12:33
                                                  Correct. It was not mentioned by the defense. - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:13:09
                                                       It was up to the prosecution to assert the arrest was - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:16:13
                                                            No, that would be Nero's defense. - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:18:52
                                                                 He was not accused of an illegal arrest, dipstick - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:26:21
                                                                      I know! That's why the prosecutor doesn't have to prove it. - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:29:59
                                                                           Nor does the defense need to raise it. The LEGALITY - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:31:38
                                                                                I know! What point do you think you're making here? - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:33:41
                                                                                     Because they were never charged with an illegal arrest. - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:34:39
                                                                                          What is happening. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:34:56
                                                                                               You are showing your ignorance of laws and rules of - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:38:29
                                                                                                    Seriously, go back and read this subthread, you are so - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:42:53
                                                                                                         I am not the one who took the tangent, dipstick. - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:49:45
                                                                                                              You absolutely derailed this subthread with this post: - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:51:57
                                                                                                                   I am sorry for derailing your stupidity by presenting facts - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:55:26
                                                                                                                        The same topic (Freddie Gray), maybe. - ummmm MU - 1/3 11:01:27
                                                                                                                             You brought up the trial... - Spanky KU - 1/3 11:02:36
                                                                                                    Follow the thread, this about whether Freddie Gray - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:41:09
                                                                                                         He knew his knife was illegal. - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:49:09
                                                                                                              Link? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:50:45
                                                                                                                   Lnik to where he didn't know, dumb@ss.... - Spanky KU - 1/3 11:00:21
                                             You need to read the story you posted again.... - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:05:44
                                                  RE: You need to read the story you posted again.... - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:07:10
                                                       Mosby ran a POLITICAL prosecution.. not a fact based - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:09:42
                                                            Where is that in the article I posted? - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:11:02
                                   To save you time: - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:00:10
                    Cool, give me all of your guns then (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:41:00
                         I don't own a gun. Next? - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:44:24
                              I'll take your knives and your baseball bats (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:46:19
                                   I don't carry a knife or a baseball bat either. Next? - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:52:49
                                        Do you own them? (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 10:02:48
                                        Your cell phone (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:53:25
                                             I don't have the weaponized version of the iPhone. Next? - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:54:32
                                                  It's a defense tool. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 09:55:16
                                                       It's a phone - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:02:27
                                                            And a hammer is a hammer - pickle MU - 1/3 10:05:34
                                                                 a switchblade knife is weapon - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:11:47
                                                                      We're not talking weapons. We are talking defense tools. - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:12:40
                                                                           I am talking about weapons.. you are on some bizarre tangent - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:17:22
                                                                                you've done it again, spanky, gone blindly down a hole and - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 10:22:25
                                                                                This all goes back hefeweizen's post here: - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:19:42
                                                                                     That is YOUR tangent.. not hef's - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:30:35
                                                                                          It's the course of this subthread. - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:34:40
                                                                                               Nope, the 'tools' part was introduced by you after - Spanky KU - 1/3 10:51:10
                                                                                                    "why shouldnt anyone have a right to defend themselves" - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:52:33
                                                                                                         that's why God gave you hands that can be curled into fists - Spanky KU - 1/3 11:03:40
                                                            "It's a vegetable dicer" (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/3 10:04:19
                                                  RE: I don't have the weaponized version of the iPhone. Next? - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:54:39
     On the supposition that its quite likely - GA Tiger MU - 1/3 09:34:38
          If you don't know, then why the criticism of Mosby? - pickle MU - 1/3 09:49:29
          * - pickle MU - 1/3 09:47:43
          it will likely lead to a good practical application and exam - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 09:36:46
               Freddie Gray was not arrested for making eye contact with a - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:43:50
                    Sparky please don't clutter up their nice clean narrative - DHighlander KC - 1/3 09:52:31
                         You never get anything right - pickle MU - 1/3 09:55:55
                              Coming from you I will take that as a compliment. You are - DHighlander KC - 1/3 10:08:45
                                   You are dumb enough to take that as a compliment (nm) - pickle MU - 1/3 10:16:47
                                        And you are dumb enough to completely miss the meaning - DHighlander KC - 1/3 10:37:07
                         Spanky.. not Sparky - Spanky KU - 1/3 09:53:39




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