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Not in favor. Clearly. Honestly, I'm not sure why

Posted on: January 2, 2017 at 21:02:48 CT
SparkyStalcup MU
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any state needs such a law...seems like self-defense principles already handle this.

Basically the law gives permission for someone to shoot first if they think there is a credible threat, even if there isn't one. I can't imagine a civil libertarian would be in favor of such a thing...it's easily abused.
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Can anyone open carry in Missouri now?(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 1/2 20:08:42
     Probably not convicts(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 1/2 20:51:39
     I would much rather carry concealed. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 20:34:18
          Can people conceal carry in MO without a permit now?(nm) - AllThingsKC KC - 1/2 20:52:50
               Yes. With certain restrictions. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 21:08:58
                    Oh those KU Med Nazis are gonna luv that - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/2 21:16:26
               Some people, yes(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:54:31
     I just assume that everyone is packing. Looking into - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:13:57
          You could do body armor with the ballistic steel plates - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/2 21:14:02
               Ceramic is where it's at.... - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 21:20:05
                    I gots the steel on ebay and the real deal - Uncle Fester USMC - 1/2 21:24:40
          Lol. Please wear Kevlar everywhere. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:38:32
               It's the price I'll have to pay for "freedom" nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:50:32
                    No, it is the price you'll have to pay for being a pussy. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:51:14
                         Nice ad hom. I thought you were above such things. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:52:32
                              he didn't attack you over an argument, good grief, sparky - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 08:43:28
                              That's not an hominem. That's just calling you a name. - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:54:47
                                   It's an ad hominem, and not a particularly creative one. - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:58:26
                                        it wasn't an ad hom (nm) - pickle MU - 1/2 21:29:49
                                        RE: It's an ad hominem, and not a particularly creative one. - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:02:27
                                             Now you're just lying about why you used the ad hominem - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:03:27
                                                  Read and learn what I wrote. - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:06:29
                                                       Name calling used in order to discredit the opponent - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:10:31
                                                            no sparky, just no. ad hom is a fallacy in which someone - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 08:49:17
                                                            "in order to discredit their argument" - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:13:23
          Just stay away from gun-free zones and you will be fine - Fourth and Long MU - 1/2 20:37:29
          Ever see a picture of a "save" from a Kevlar vest? - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 20:29:42
               Broken ribs are better than exploded organs. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:35:16
                    I'm not saying it's not better than getting shot, but the - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 20:36:43
                         No question. It's not perfect protection from such a - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:38:29
                              They should make it illegal to shoot people. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/2 20:40:44
                                   Stand your ground makes it legal to shoot people. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:42:21
                                        Only if one reasonably believes their life or property is in - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:44:55
                                             Anyone can make up a story to justify stand your ground, - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:48:42
                                                  I can't tell from this post... are you or are you not in - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:56:37
                                                       Not in favor. Clearly. Honestly, I'm not sure why - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:02:48
                                                            It just appeared like you were lamenting the lack of its use - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:04:50
                                                                 I am lamenting its non-use in her case, but only because - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:12:07
                                                                      But you don't like the law, at all. - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:15:52
                                                                           Right. But if it exists, it should be evenly applied. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:18:34
                                                                                So, if you perceive a law to be bad, - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:35:55
                                                                      They should. We have found common ground(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 21:14:51
                                                                           Now stand it. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:16:12
                                                  It amazes me how much you dont know and what you believe(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:51:20
                                                       Why would I assume that a felon isn't carrying? nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:53:13
                                                            Did you assume it before yesterday?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:55:11
                                                                 Of course. But now I also assume that stupid people - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:56:13
                                                                      Nothing stopped those people you call stupid before did it?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:58:01
                                                            What law would stop it? - tman KC - 1/2 20:54:33
          why?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:15:30
               Protection. If folks feel like they guns to protect - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:17:06
                    Lawful gun owners are the least of your worries. I'd be - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 20:26:12
                         Anyone in Missouri can legally conceal carry now...you - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:37:13
                              Incorrect. Certain restrictions still apply. Like being at - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 21:13:55
                              Incorrect(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:38:22
                                   Correct. Links.... - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:40:51
                                        Incorrect. You are lying. Felons cannot carry in MO(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:42:08
                                             Amendment 5 took care of that, except that Missouri - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:46:37
                                                  Apology accepted for lying.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:47:43
                                                       I'm not sure who you accepted in from. No apology here.... - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:49:55
                                                            Well, you did say "anyone". (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:53:08
                                                            You admitted to lying. I fogive you nonetheless(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:52:08
                                                                 No such admission was made, but I acccept your apology - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:56:47
                                                                      You said anyone. That was a lie then provided the links - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 21:00:02
                                                                           It just means that I was unaware of the Missouri SC - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:13:37
                                                                                That ignorance on your part was the crux of your post. - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 21:16:55
                                                                                     Actually, it wasn't the crux. If I said "nearly everyone" - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:19:59
                                                                                          But you didn't say "nearly everyone". That's the point. - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:39:19
                                                                                               tonight? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 1/3 09:46:15
                                        Again you don't give all the facts - tman KC - 1/2 20:41:57
                                             Carry and purchase are two different things. Felons cant - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:43:03
                                                  Since guns are so prevalent and available darn near - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:52:05
                                                       What stops them now? The law? The only thing that will - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:53:56
                                                  Agree. (nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:44:35
                    Ah ok. You aren't prevented that I know of from - tman KC - 1/2 20:19:56
                    Silly liberal. You planning on threatening people with - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:18:50
                         I fail to see how my Kevlar threatens anyone. If I wanted - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:20:24
                              You would use it to bludgeon. Not protect yourself?(nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:23:04
                                   You asked if I was going to threaten anyone. I fail to - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:25:26
                                        Check again. I did not ask that. LINK IT - tman KC - 1/2 20:28:30
                                             Still waiting(nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:33:27
                                                  Should I take a break while you look for my post - tman KC - 1/2 20:35:49
                                                       Still waiting. You can admit your mistake any time(nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:40:55
                                                            Come on. I am tired of calling you out - tman KC - 1/2 20:47:34
                              Just stay out of heavy democrat urban areas and you'll be - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:21:15
                                   I'm far worse off in a public school or a movie theater. nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:23:49
                                        Why? There's a sign that says you can't have a gun in those - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:26:18
                                        Gun free zones? Why do you need Kevlar there?(nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:24:58
                                             I'm more likely to go to those places than to a red state - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:34:14
                                                  Your stats include accidental discharge and self-inflicted - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:44:02
                                                       Of course. Concealed carry increases the likelihood of such - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 20:55:20
                                                            Yeah, but you personally should not have to worry - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:58:02
                                                                 I don't need to carry a weapon, and won't carry one, so - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:07:38
                                                                      Can you post a link of where an accidental discharge killed - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:08:38
                                                                           This was in the CU Dental School - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:31:51
                                                                                Looking for "deaths". Remember this subthread is about - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:33:43
                                                                           And remember this thread is about YOU not going to - ummmm MU - 1/2 21:10:01
                                                  Why don't you post the link - tman KC - 1/2 20:39:57
                                                  Do those numbers include suicides? Where's Illanoy?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:39:37
                                                       Yes, they do. Wyoming has around 20 murders a year - ummmm MU - 1/2 20:44:38
                                                            How convenient. He's so dishonest(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:46:19
                                                                 I said GUN DEATHS, not murders. Sheesh. There are more - SparkyStalcup MU - 1/2 21:39:40
                                                                      You also understand where there are legal guns - tman KC - 1/2 21:58:58
                                                                 He doesn't want to discuss what he really wants - tman KC - 1/2 20:55:54
                                                       You want all of the facts? - tman KC - 1/2 20:40:26
                                                            He lied through his teeth above(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:41:14
                                                                 Both of them. One upper and one lower(nm) - tman KC - 1/2 20:42:26
                                             Seriously....they are clearly marked. - Tigrrrr! MU - 1/2 20:28:16
                                                  Exactly. So why Kevlar in those places? You are good there - tman KC - 1/2 20:29:55
     No. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 1/2 20:12:34




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