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I said when defenders of the faith, like you,

Posted on: September 2, 2016 at 13:19:21 CT

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put these same rituals in the context of "the enemy" or totalitarian States, they are viewed as creepy.

I reject your premise, though, because it is not standing out of respect for sacrifices made on behalf of country, though that is what you have been drilled to believe

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Why is it when you ask those who jump at your posts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:00:27

That is a very good question - pickle MU

- 9/2 15:31:05

^you think 2nd string nfl players aren't extremely successfu - El-ahrairah STL - 9/2 12:24:34

Extremely successful is a relative term - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:36:14

Like the swallows to Capistrano (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 12:15:06

It can vary by poster and by topic or by post. Any links to - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:05:18

Just today, several First Amendment commments - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:08:33

Standing for the Canadian National Anthem would also be - ummmm MU - 9/2 12:44:00

Agree on one, not so much on the other - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:56:13

No, that would not be corpse worship. - ummmm MU - 9/2 12:58:07

Then why is standing at attention during the National - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:59:12

and who says they are standing the "the State?" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:03:39

The two events are hardly comparable - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:03:03

Take all of these things - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:11:07

this is a straw man fallacy pickle. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:15:10

So standing out of respect for sacrifices made on behalf - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:12:39

I said when defenders of the faith, like you, - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:19:21

You are now rendering an absolute jugdment out of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:23:19

I'm making no assumption (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:29:39

that's literally all you are doing. and this statement shows - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:32:34

Ding-ding-ding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:33:38

to think he lectures others on logical fallacies. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:34:39

You are making no sense - that is for sure(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:32:05

it's called an appeal to omniscience fallacy. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:23:58

I like how they are showing themselves here to simply be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:26:06

they've been indoctrinated and brainwashed. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:27:27

It is nothing new - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:29:04

and you have been drilled to believe it's for 'the State.' - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:20:24

Yes. Standing out of respect for sacrifices made on behalf - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:18:12

You may find it creept, but how is it state worship? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:19:05

I think you've answered your own question - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:22:14

And you are making the assumption that everyone politely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:25:22

The timing of the standing is almost always - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:29:06

You are the one who said everyone doing this is engaging - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:31:28

It is the the totality of the event that is the state - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:37:00

That is what you are using that simple act to make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:44:02

No, I'm not. Look at your original question. - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:45:03

I would stand although I have no allegience to their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:47:09

You have no allegiance to the US flag or gvmt either (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:59:16

Have you ever been to a church of a different religion? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:50:06

Yes, but being respecful of it does not mean you are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:15:55

You're right. - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:18:11

It was disproving the claim that pickle made - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:32:26

This thread agrees with pickle - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:37:00

That was never the issue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:39:14

Can you point to where someone said this, in particular - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:54:01

RE: You're right. - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:26:39

'the totality of the event' - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:38:48

It means there is a great deal of subjectivity - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:44:44

No, these are not subjective observations (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:00:07

so what? you are still drawing conclusions about others - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:31:12

country=/=government or the State. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:24:25

You are adding lots of things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:10:46

I believe that I am accurately describing what occurs - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:18:35

You are making a blanket assumption that everyone standing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:21:09

And by the way, the state worship has to do with all - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:23:49

I would love to see it done away with at sporting events - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:27:05

Out of respect for whom? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:22:44

For those who may have strong feelings about - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:27:44

I am pretty certain that the PA announcer almost always says - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:30:16

That is said quite often - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:33:13

Does that make it what? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:38:26

But if people decided to merely stand out of respect - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:46:02

Yes (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:03:13

Is that what you do? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:56:07

We are not talking about me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:17:00

Yes, standing for the Canadian National Anthem is a - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:18:59

That is simply not true - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:34:02

But there is, in fact, a worship going on - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:36:17

Again, that was not the issue of the discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:39:56

Okay cool. Glad to see that you agree that state worship - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:54:36

But for the record, you are a believer in state worship (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:19:49

I totally get your making the statement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:37:24

movie worship. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:33:52

are you forced too? no gun has ever been held to my head. ( - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:31:58

that's up to the individual mr. pro-freedom. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:25:16

you've just blown their argument to pieces. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:21:50

you're not. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:20:52

They are two different things entirely - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:15:27

No one makes anyone do these things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:18:04

I've added nothing, 4Tigs (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:02:18

Truer words were never spoken(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:17:17

because the 'pro-liberty' posters here hate certain - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:19:23

no, they are not "two different things entirely" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:16:48

so, people have died for our liberty - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:04:24

they stand for country not government - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 12:45:41

Didn't see any comments on the Canadian National Anthem - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:23:52

Then don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:36:37

OK, thanks for the permission. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:39:16

You didn't need it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:45:08