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They are two different things entirely

Posted on: September 2, 2016 at 13:15:27 CT

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ummmm didn't add anything. no one has added anything. These "sacrifices" are for the State; they are martyrs for the State. Flying the flag, hand over heart, singing en masse to the anthem of the State are all acts of "patriotism", they are inherently political and inherently worship.

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Why is it when you ask those who jump at your posts - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:00:27

That is a very good question - pickle MU

- 9/2 15:31:05

^you think 2nd string nfl players aren't extremely successfu - El-ahrairah STL - 9/2 12:24:34

Extremely successful is a relative term - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:36:14

Like the swallows to Capistrano (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 12:15:06

It can vary by poster and by topic or by post. Any links to - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:05:18

Just today, several First Amendment commments - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:08:33

Standing for the Canadian National Anthem would also be - ummmm MU - 9/2 12:44:00

Agree on one, not so much on the other - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:56:13

No, that would not be corpse worship. - ummmm MU - 9/2 12:58:07

Then why is standing at attention during the National - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:59:12

and who says they are standing the "the State?" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:03:39

The two events are hardly comparable - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:03:03

Take all of these things - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:11:07

this is a straw man fallacy pickle. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:15:10

So standing out of respect for sacrifices made on behalf - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:12:39

I said when defenders of the faith, like you, - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:19:21

You are now rendering an absolute jugdment out of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:23:19

I'm making no assumption (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:29:39

that's literally all you are doing. and this statement shows - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:32:34

Ding-ding-ding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:33:38

to think he lectures others on logical fallacies. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:34:39

You are making no sense - that is for sure(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:32:05

it's called an appeal to omniscience fallacy. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:23:58

I like how they are showing themselves here to simply be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:26:06

they've been indoctrinated and brainwashed. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:27:27

It is nothing new - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:29:04

and you have been drilled to believe it's for 'the State.' - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:20:24

Yes. Standing out of respect for sacrifices made on behalf - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:18:12

You may find it creept, but how is it state worship? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:19:05

I think you've answered your own question - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:22:14

And you are making the assumption that everyone politely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:25:22

The timing of the standing is almost always - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:29:06

You are the one who said everyone doing this is engaging - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:31:28

It is the the totality of the event that is the state - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:37:00

That is what you are using that simple act to make - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:44:02

No, I'm not. Look at your original question. - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:45:03

I would stand although I have no allegience to their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:47:09

You have no allegiance to the US flag or gvmt either (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:59:16

Have you ever been to a church of a different religion? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:50:06

Yes, but being respecful of it does not mean you are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:15:55

You're right. - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:18:11

It was disproving the claim that pickle made - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:32:26

This thread agrees with pickle - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:37:00

That was never the issue - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:39:14

Can you point to where someone said this, in particular - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:54:01

RE: You're right. - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:26:39

'the totality of the event' - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:38:48

It means there is a great deal of subjectivity - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:44:44

No, these are not subjective observations (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:00:07

so what? you are still drawing conclusions about others - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:31:12

country=/=government or the State. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:24:25

You are adding lots of things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:10:46

I believe that I am accurately describing what occurs - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:18:35

You are making a blanket assumption that everyone standing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:21:09

And by the way, the state worship has to do with all - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:23:49

I would love to see it done away with at sporting events - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:27:05

Out of respect for whom? (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:22:44

For those who may have strong feelings about - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:27:44

I am pretty certain that the PA announcer almost always says - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:30:16

That is said quite often - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:33:13

Does that make it what? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:38:26

But if people decided to merely stand out of respect - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:46:02

Yes (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:03:13

Is that what you do? - ummmm MU - 9/2 13:56:07

We are not talking about me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:17:00

Yes, standing for the Canadian National Anthem is a - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:18:59

That is simply not true - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:34:02

But there is, in fact, a worship going on - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:36:17

Again, that was not the issue of the discussion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:39:56

Okay cool. Glad to see that you agree that state worship - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:54:36

But for the record, you are a believer in state worship (nm) - ummmm MU - 9/2 14:19:49

I totally get your making the statement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:37:24

movie worship. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:33:52

are you forced too? no gun has ever been held to my head. ( - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:31:58

that's up to the individual mr. pro-freedom. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:25:16

you've just blown their argument to pieces. - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:21:50

you're not. (nm) - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:20:52

They are two different things entirely - pickle MU

- 9/2 13:15:27

No one makes anyone do these things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 13:18:04

I've added nothing, 4Tigs (nm) - pickle MU

- 9/2 14:02:18

Truer words were never spoken(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 14:17:17

because the 'pro-liberty' posters here hate certain - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:19:23

no, they are not "two different things entirely" - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:16:48

so, people have died for our liberty - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 13:04:24

they stand for country not government - mizzou alum 93 MU - 9/2 12:45:41

Didn't see any comments on the Canadian National Anthem - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:23:52

Then don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:36:37

OK, thanks for the permission. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 9/2 12:39:16

You didn't need it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/2 12:45:08