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That is not what that phrase means..

Posted on: January 28, 2025 at 13:14:25 CT
Spanky KU
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Slaughterhouse had the correct interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Even in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, the 1898 case most often cited by “birthright” supporters due to its overbroad language, the court only held that a child born of lawful, permanent residents was a U.S. citizen. That is a far cry from saying that a child born of individuals who are here illegally must be considered a U.S. citizen.

Federal law offers "birthright" supporters no help either. U.S. immigration law (8 U.S.C. § 1401) simply repeats the language of the 14th Amendment, including the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

The fact that a tourist or illegal alien is subject to our laws and our courts if they violate our laws does not place them within the political “jurisdiction” of the United States as that phrase was defined by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

This amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “[a]ll persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, a key figure in the adoption of the 14th Amendment, said that “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. included not owing allegiance to any other country.
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     They can do those things back in Guatemala for all I care(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/28 14:04:40
     Oh brother (nm) - Lerxst MU - 1/28 13:56:31
     Yup that's what that means - Columbian Gold MU - 1/28 13:55:31
     they are subject first to the laws of the homeland of - 90Tiger STL - 1/28 13:43:18
     She ain't wrong...my wife who was a teacher said - Logan STL - 1/28 13:34:32
     bimbos gonna bimb - JG A - 1/28 13:24:37
     That is not what that phrase means.. - Spanky KU - 1/28 13:14:25
          I’m quoting her words Sparky - *M* KC - 1/28 13:32:03
               ie, you're being pedantic (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/28 13:43:36
               perhaps you actually know what she meant - Spanky KU - 1/28 13:35:56
                    What I know is what she said. - *M* KC - 1/28 13:40:20
                         That is not a smart take.... don't you think she - Spanky KU - 1/28 13:47:15
                         strong take today, dullard (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/28 13:43:58
          RE: That is not what that phrase means.. - sks MU - 1/28 13:20:58
               oh, now anything ruled upon is sacrosanct? you - 90Tiger STL - 1/28 13:44:37
                    Never said that anything ruled upon is sacrosanct - sks MU - 1/28 16:34:33
               and SCOTUS did the same with Roe for 50 years - Spanky KU - 1/28 13:27:23
               they said differently before it - FootballRefugee MU - 1/28 13:22:00
                    RE: they said differently before it - sks MU - 1/28 13:25:40
                         The process will be followed (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/28 13:45:06
                         The Trump EO will go before SCOTUS for a ruling - Spanky KU - 1/28 13:33:50
                         as you presented it, you don't get to pick and choose - FootballRefugee MU - 1/28 13:29:08
                              RE: as you presented it, you don't get to pick and choose - sks MU - 1/28 14:32:57
                                   What is that process? To get Roe overturned states passed - Spanky KU - 1/28 15:47:03
                                        RE: What is that process? To get Roe overturned states passed - sks MU - 1/28 16:06:17
                                             Harris (or Biden) declaring the ERA ratified is nowhere - Spanky KU - 1/28 17:48:47
          your last sentence suggests that a dual citizen - Seagull MU - 1/28 13:19:59
     With that "logic", you're a member of the right party - El Zorro MU - 1/28 13:06:45
     great.. another hokie (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/28 13:02:17
     I'm sure liberals would love that in the name of equity - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/28 13:01:26
     nice false dichotomy - FootballRefugee MU - 1/28 12:58:07
          RE: nice false dichotomy - *M* KC - 1/28 13:35:39
     You're really dumb(nm) - AWOLTiger KC - 1/28 12:52:51




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