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RE: social contract theory begins with Socrates and continues to

Posted on: December 10, 2024 at 14:49:23 CT
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So some political philosophers have been tempted to say that we have in fact agreed to the social contract of that kind tacitly, by not just emigrating when we reach the age of consent. But no one can argue that very long with a straight face. Consent cannot be binding on people, in the way this argument requires, unless it is given more freely, and with more genuine alternate choice, than just by declining to build a life from nothing under a foreign flag. And even if the consent were genuine, the argument would fail as an argument for legitimacy, because a person leaves one sovereign only to join another; he has no choice to be free from sovereigns altogether.
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Should government trump rights or the other way around? - Seagull MU - 12/10 11:46:01
     Are you familiar with social contract theory? - Spanky KU - 12/10 12:09:41
          RE: Are you familiar with social contract theory? - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:11:24
          sounds like social justice theory (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 12:12:45
               You didn't take Western Civ in college? - Spanky KU - 12/10 12:14:16
                    RE: You didn't take Western Civ in college? - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 12:19:12
                         That is a non-answer - Spanky KU - 12/10 12:20:40
                              it's as relevant (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 12:32:23
                                   No-one would count Socrates, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, - Spanky KU - 12/10 12:49:14
                                        I would, and it's not a dodge, Spanky. I didn't sign a - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:09:14
                                             One doesn't need to sign the 'contract' - Spanky KU - 12/10 13:22:03
                                                  you're arguing the same argument social justice warriors - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:31:00
                                                  asinine (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:25:06
                                                       Socrates is an asinine 3rd grader. Right?(nm) - Spanky KU - 12/10 13:27:50
                                                            i see you have no time to read nor respond to my prio - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:43:41
                                                                 social contract theory begins with Socrates and continues to - Spanky KU - 12/10 14:09:36
                                                                      RE: social contract theory begins with Socrates and continues to - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:49:23
                                                                           You inherit a home in a HOA. Can you ignore the HOA rules - Spanky KU - 12/10 16:57:28
                                                                                you actually have the option of signing the HOA or - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 18:22:04
                                                                      RE: social contract theory begins with Socrates and continues to - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:10:11
                                                                           rejected by Mises.. no-one else(nm) - Spanky KU - 12/10 14:35:08
                                                                                RE: rejected by Mises.. no-one else(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:47:20
                                                                                     He is wrong. It intrinsically justifies the existence of - Spanky KU - 12/10 15:10:50
                                                                                          lol, i'm glad you consider "earliest source" to now be - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 15:18:27
                                                                                               Not the final authority - Spanky KU - 12/10 15:27:51
                                                                                                    it's a theory and never "proved right" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 15:30:07
                                                                                                         Just like natural law(nm) - Spanky KU - 12/10 16:53:57
                                                                                                              of course, now what? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 18:22:41
                                                                                                                   You linked natural law theorists to disprove social contract - Spanky KU - 12/10 20:39:34
                                                                                rockwell - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:46:20
                                                                                     Rockwell = Mises(nm) - Spanky KU - 12/10 15:11:04
                                                                                          oh, then hobbes, locke, rand, all the others = socrates (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 15:18:57
                                                                                Hume - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:44:31
                                                                                     You need to read Locke - Spanky KU - 12/10 15:14:31
                                                                                          done, now what? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 15:19:09
                                                                                               lol - Spanky KU - 12/10 16:59:54
                                                                                                    you have some very poor assumptions, Spanky (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 18:22:59
                                                                                That's another falsehood and only displays your ignorance - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:40:44
                                                                                lol, all of the others disagree with Socrates - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:37:30
                                                                                     there is no natural law, tigs. It's a theory(nm) - Spanky KU - 12/10 17:17:01
                                                                                          sure, of course. now what? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 18:22:31
                                                            RE: Socrates is an asinine 3rd grader. Right?(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:31:46
                                                                 The 'founder of western philosophy' - Spanky KU - 12/10 13:49:24
                                                                      here, start by reading this and let the authorities appeal - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:01:10
                                                                           So claims the natural law THEORY guys. - Spanky KU - 12/10 14:08:07
                                                                                lmfao, you're mocking theorists now after backing one - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:09:07
                                                                                     no. I am pointing out that you think natural law theory is - Spanky KU - 12/10 14:44:32
                                                                                          what does that have to do with social contract THEORY? - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:46:10
                                                                                               You try (badly) to use natural law THEORY to - Spanky KU - 12/10 17:10:10
                                                                                                    Natural law is a philosophy, yes, call it "theory". How does - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 18:23:32
                                                                      you are appealing to authority and are asking me to - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:56:00
                                                                           "I didn't sign a social contract" - Spanky KU - 12/10 14:02:27
                                                                                nice job of ignoring every argument just presented to - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 14:09:48
     every law takes away someone's "rights" ... - tmcats KSU - 12/10 11:58:24
          at your age, you should have developed past a child's view - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 12:12:04
               you don't believe we should have public schools? - tmcats KSU - 12/10 12:45:31
                    I certainly don't "believe" "we" "should" have gvmt - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:10:45
                         yet, you offer no alternative, perhaps the nuns or women ... - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:27:29
                              red herring (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:32:23
                                   yet again - obfuscation* - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:34:47
                                        you're a socialist dbag - Seagull MU - 12/10 13:36:29
                                        RE: yet again - obfuscation* - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:35:12
                    Of course not. Does that blow your mind? (nm) - Seagull MU - 12/10 12:50:00
                         yes, i find it sorta of alarming ... - tmcats KSU - 12/10 12:51:50
                              What's alarming is the number of people who think they - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:12:15
                                   you rant like a two year old without explanation(nm) - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:26:32
                                        that was an explanation most 2 year olds would understand - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:32:12
                                             we should all drop to your 2 year old level?(nm) - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:35:28
                                                  RE: we should all drop to your 2 year old level?(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:39:06
                              That's the problem with you big government pansies - Seagull MU - 12/10 12:53:30
                                   right, you'd rather have a monarch, i get it rather than ... - tmcats KSU - 12/10 12:56:17
                                        jfc, bob, how about not creating a straw man (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:12:42
                                        When you have to invent a strawman, you've lost - Seagull MU - 12/10 13:05:20
                                             both of you lack any cogent argument but rely instead - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:25:32
                                                  I notice only that you've stopped defending your - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:32:50
          Promote the general welfare. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/10 12:08:42
               gracious ... - tmcats KSU - 12/10 12:46:23
                    lol, you think he doesn't know where the phrase you - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:14:26
                         your retorts are weaker than bill's hairpiece, much so(nm) - tmcats KSU - 12/10 13:28:20
                              RE: your retorts are weaker than bill's hairpiece, much so(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/10 13:35:28
          no it doesn’t - pickle MU - 12/10 12:00:53




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