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I think that can be reconciled. Perhaps he got it a little

Posted on: July 10, 2024 at 17:11:44 CT
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wrong, or perhaps it's because English isn't his native language.

14) In the American democracy at the time of its birth, all individual human rights were granted because man is God's creature. That is, freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility.

Perhaps he's still thinking from the mindset of the Russian citizen, critic though he was, in seeming to assert that human rights were granted by the government.

Or, he knows that those rights are inherent in being children of God and the American government 'granted' them, because they recognized those self-evident rights.

I would assert that he is right in saying that freedom is in fact conditional on man living up to his moral/religious responsibilities. The founding fathers said as much.

Our first two presidents, George Washington & John Adams:

In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, "a necessary spring of popular government," while Adams claimed that statesmen "may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand."
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     And one of the greatest speeches ever given - *M* KC - 7/10 15:45:18
          Yet so many are so ignorant of the lessons shared - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/10 15:54:46
     A wonderful observation from Solzhenitsyn - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 7/10 15:02:14
          BUT EQUITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No group every screamed for equ - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 15:39:27
               “We hold these truths to be self-evident…” (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 16:37:25
                    And those truths are absolutely right - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 7/10 17:57:41
                         yuuuuup (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:20:45
                    correct, so why does gvmt need to make "extra" rights and - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 16:40:49
                         Dunno. Just pointing out the contradiction - haeffb MU - 7/10 16:55:57
                              Russians simply want chaos - meatiger MU - 7/10 17:32:58
                                   the right does "what stuff" with china? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 19:04:05
                                        Essentially the same stupid stuff - meatiger MU - 7/10 19:45:30
                                             you're really contorting to find a wutabout here. where is - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:20:28
                                   How do the Russians use social engineering against the US? (nm) - JeffB MU - 7/10 17:44:14
                                        Fake profiles, meetups, etc. - meatiger MU - 7/10 17:49:25
                              'Hate crimes' apply to some, but not others, no? (nm) - JeffB MU - 7/10 17:18:15
                                   I don’t think so…? - haeffb MU - 7/10 18:34:46
                                        I don't see how your post shows that people are not treated - JeffB MU - 7/10 19:54:37
                                             See, I didn’t say they weren’t treated differently. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:05:17
                                                  lthey don't have the same rights from gvmt. - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:21:23
                                                  There are occasional instances of that, but there are many - JeffB MU - 7/10 20:15:03
                                                       I think it’s a bad thing - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:23:17
                                                            Glad you agree that rights are not the same in the US (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:25:52
                                        does a white man (not gay) enjoy hate crime protection? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 19:04:46
                                             I guess you didn’t read the example. - haeffb MU - 7/10 19:36:18
                                                  what does this have to do with government "rights"? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:39:28
                              shorter sentences for similar crimes for women (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:15:28
                              So called 'protected classes' have rights that no one else - JeffB MU - 7/10 17:14:00
                                   What rights do protected classes have that I don’t? (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 17:26:43
                                        Some races have special protections from being fired or - JeffB MU - 7/10 17:39:35
                                             I guess I disagree - haeffb MU - 7/10 17:52:39
                                                  Having the government decide such things is pretty bad. - JeffB MU - 7/10 20:11:05
                                                       Did you hear the one - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:17:11
                                                            i notice all of your anecdotes are historical - and you - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:23:42
                                                  lol - so you say you disagree that they have protections the - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 19:05:31
                                                       I said I disagree they are rights I don’t have. - haeffb MU - 7/10 19:52:28
                                                            Affirmative Action is NOT protection of the same rights - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:27:34
                                                                 Brother, you’re the one who started with “rights” - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:24:01
                                                                      and you understood the context perfectly (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:40:08
                                                            So discriminating against someone - meatiger MU - 7/10 19:54:14
                                   I'm hoping he was joking (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:16:22
                              The right to not sign up for selective service in order - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:11:57
                              I think that can be reconciled. Perhaps he got it a little - JeffB MU - 7/10 17:11:44
                                   correct, but he's looking for a gotcha (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:12:39
                                        I don’t look for gotchas. - haeffb MU - 7/10 17:26:21
                              this one - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:08:54
                              tons of tax benefits (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:05:32
                              every form of gvmt distributed $ to all parties based on - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:03:28
                              There's no contradiction. You're missing the gist of - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 17:02:25
                                   You and I make widgets - haeffb MU - 7/10 17:23:48
                                        lol, so you agree gvmt has created different rights and priv - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 19:06:27
          RE: A wonderful observation from Solzhenitsyn - sarasotatiger MU - 7/10 15:03:19
     RE: The most famous commencement speech of the entire 20th - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 14:55:37




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