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Does God actively form humans in the womb? Does God

Posted on: June 12, 2024 at 18:01:06 CT
TigerMatt STL
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sometimes screw up and the result is a miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, birth defects or still birth?

Or is figurative language being used here?

If you understood literary genres, you’d see Jeremiah 1:5 is Hebrew poetry.

By the way, what is the context? A poetic injunction to do what is right?

Sure is pretty cherry picky to try to use this against IVF practices.

Edited by TigerMatt at 18:06:51 on 06/12/24
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Southern Baptists vote to oppose IVF - TigerJackSwartz MU - 6/12 14:14:03
     Four fold increase in black women getting IVF. That - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:20:54
          Yeah, that's it(nm) - CulturedDan KC - 6/12 17:12:00
               Racism is embedded into the SBC since its origins. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 17:29:27
     well, then people that adhere to that belief - Ferg MU - 6/12 15:34:23
     High IVF accessibility = low birth rates - ChinaTiger KC - 6/12 14:56:02
          say what? - o'lineydisciple MU - 6/13 07:32:11
     That's weird - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 14:51:20
          No it isn't.... - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:09:23
               Support your position from scripture, not church dogma. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:47:12
                    Tsk, tsk, tsk - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:45:03
                         Does God actively form humans in the womb? Does God - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:01:06
                              You is dumb - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:44:18
                                   That you can’t recognize Hebrew poetry when you see it - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:50:10
               They are not human life in the eyes of our government - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:27:52
                    Not talking about government in this thread, are we?(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:30:41
                         Government laws are created and passed by - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:32:52
                              Civilized people do not engage in fetal homicide (nm) - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:44:56
                                   lol, apparently "we" do (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 17:23:46
                                        These arguments are being made from church dogma - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:17:33
                                             your mistake is thinking there is any thought involved at - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 19:27:24
                                   Zygote =/= fetus (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:35:54
                                   So what percentage of the US population would you consider - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:48:16
                                        That portion that knows abortion is abhorrent (nm) - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:51:36
                                             Must be a very small portion of people... - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:53:33
                                                  It needs to be “reformed” so only number of eggs to be - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:57:08
                                                       Simply pointing out how few people you believe are - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:59:43
                                                            As practiced today, IVF is immoral - Spanky KU - 6/12 16:09:43
                                                                 Does a zygote have a soul? Half the zygotes fail - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:28:50
                                                                      The issue is not IVF embryos that don't implant successfully - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:03:45
                                                                           Does a zygote have a soul? Does it have consciousness aware - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 17:16:56
                                                                                Ensoulment begins at conception (nm) - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:33:57
                                                                                     Well damn. Over half the souls get punted within a few days - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:02:30
                                                                                          and???? - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:13:12
                                                                                               Kinda stupid for God to start ensoulment on a zygote - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:14:16
                                                                                                    So.. God is stupid in your world? - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:29:28
                                                                                                         No. But you are. Because what you keep saying is - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:30:19
                                                                                                              I gave you a very appropriate verse - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:46:16
                                                                                                                   You gave a verse that exposed your stupidity of literary - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:48:36
                                                                                                                        Failure on your part (as usual)(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/13 10:18:47
               Do they go trollin' around the terlet - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:10:55
                    Nature versus man acting as God - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:12:08
                         Ok - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:13:24
                              How is it not an abortion? - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:18:26
                                   It's not an abortion - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:26:38
                                        It is an abortion in the sense that a fertilized egg is - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:31:47
                                             A 'fertilized egg' is a human being. Human life begins at - JeffB MU - 6/12 15:35:48
                                                  Debatable. The fertilized egg requires implantation - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:27:15
                                                       That is absurd and you should know it. - JeffB MU - 6/12 21:45:46
                                                       Life begins at conception - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:46:42
                                                            And yet upwards of 75% of fertilized eggs fail to - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:12:27
                                                                 Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:14:44
                                                                      You are twisting their arguments. They aren’t arguing - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:16:04
                                                                           Human Life begins at fertilization - Spanky KU - 6/12 18:30:17
                                                                                So most humans are never born and never survive - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:31:35
                                                  How come you haven't called for the prosecution of - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:39:33
                                                       RE: How come you haven't called for the prosecution of - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:47:13
                                                            Not one of those links said anyone should - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:51:33
                                                                 What is the definition of murder? - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:05:13
                                                                      Wut? - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 17:11:00
                                                                           I called it immoral. Not murder - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:38:13
                                                                           lol, surely he's this stubborn, hypocritical and cement-brai - 90Tiger STL - 6/12 17:26:25
          They would likely consider the fertilized but unused eggs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 14:54:34
               The thing is - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:10:12
                    The solution is not fertilizing 10 eggs to implant 3 - Spanky KU - 6/12 15:50:45
                         that's more expensive I imagine - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:51:50
                              so it is a cost effective killing of human life? - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:07:49
                                   Like the morning after pill - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 17:18:18
                                        morning after pill prevents fertilization - Spanky KU - 6/12 17:59:33
                                             Preventing implantation, not fertilization is the most - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 18:23:19
                    Doctors are resorting to IVF far quicker than ever before. - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:27:10
                         Well...there is money to be made - Wildcat KSU - 6/12 15:27:45
                              And people want a baby on their own timeline. - kmawv8 KC - 6/12 15:29:21
                    I would say they may consider adoption the far better - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 15:25:13
               Right(nm) - CulturedDan KC - 6/12 15:06:48
     as does the Catholic Church(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 6/12 14:48:55
          reasons ... - tmcats KSU - 6/12 14:56:17
               But what about Jesus? God didn’t have sex with Mary. - TigerMatt STL - 6/12 16:22:32
     they should be careful - o'lineydisciple MU - 6/12 14:46:01
          On the other hand, they are a religious organization, not a - JeffB MU - 6/12 15:05:30
               And as they left prison they sang and rejoiced - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 15:09:52
          This is the Southern Baptists - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 14:55:32
               Thanks god for the northern babtists - meatiger MU - 6/12 14:56:14
                    They are rebels of the Baptist convention - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/12 14:59:01
          I'm not sure southern baptists represent - Sal CMSU - 6/12 14:48:44
     Well good for them. (nm) - Outsider MU - 6/12 14:44:05
     Megan Messerly with some wishful thinking - Sal CMSU - 6/12 14:40:27
     Kudos to them. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/12 14:20:43
          why is that Jeff? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 6/12 14:36:26
               IVF helps create human beings, most of which will be killed. - JeffB MU - 6/12 14:45:42
                    so do pregnancies in the Chicago ghetto(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 6/12 14:47:30
                         They don't conceive as many as they can, select the ones - JeffB MU - 6/12 14:52:07
     so? you oppose keeping your schtick out of your boyfriend's - TigerFan92 STL - 6/12 14:16:28




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