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HOA’s monthly dues are essentially a tax
Posted on: June 11, 2024 at 16:12:02 CT
Spanky
KU
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Don’t pay and the HOA can seize your home
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A question for pickle: Are ALL governments evil?
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 15:23:21
Good luck with a question to The Idiot. He doesn't dialogue,
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hokie
VT
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6/11 16:33:15
everything you said is what YOU do. (nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 16:56:54
fwiw, much of what hokie posted there matches up well
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 17:15:36
An elf is a surrogate for The Idiot. That's sweet. Nm
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hokie
VT
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6/11 17:05:10
HOA's are not even close to government
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:35:50
Are you an anarchist, or do you diverge from pickle & some
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 15:51:05
Not sure I would call governments illegitimate
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:57:37
Being smaller and fee based is certainly possible.
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:10:15
It's kind of similar to a gov't (nm)
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Sal
CMSU
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6/11 15:46:40
it isn’t though. HOAs are voluntary associations
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pickle
MU
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6/11 15:54:06
Both are voluntary
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:03:39
I moved to a different county. That’s far enough to get
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 16:53:20
Didn’t have to move to a new county to escape a HOA
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 17:25:46
Sure. But moving ~30 miles got me out of a neighborhood
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 19:24:44
How large was it when your ancestors moved here? (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 19:29:54
Governments could theoretically be voluntary, no?
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:00:20
If governments went more via user fees
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 16:02:00
Do HOA’s go more via user fees?
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:05:30
HOA's are funded via user fees
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 16:08:27
Immigrants are voluntarily submitting to the governments of
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:12:27
and everyone here has likely moved from their parents' home
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:43:33
HOA’s monthly dues are essentially a tax
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:12:02
Can you refuse to join the HOA?
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:10:50
Yes. When I bought my house, I joined an HOA voluntarily. I
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 17:10:38
As an adult you have the ability to renounce the citizenship
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 17:26:54
A minor cannot enter a legally binding contract. Citizenship
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 19:21:41
That is the same with an HOA. The child is bound by the HOA
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 19:26:46
If your parents owned a home within the territorial
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 17:12:24
I would be a minor and subject to my parents. The HOA
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 19:20:24
it’s a dumb argument. The only one bound to the HOA
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pickle
MU
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6/11 20:25:56
Practically speaking, the children are also subject to HOA
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 22:47:02
The IRS, FBI or local police probably weren't looking for
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 19:35:28
Except it is completely voluntary(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:49:56
"similar to" (nm)
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Sal
CMSU
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6/11 15:54:40
the force makes it much much different
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:55:53
I am not sure how it's close to a corporation (nm)
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Sal
CMSU
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6/11 15:56:22
A voluntary group of people for a common purpose
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pickle
MU
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6/11 16:09:01
and governments typically start out as a voluntary group of
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:23:35
The leadership structure
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:59:02
Sounds kind of like the US Government (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 16:46:00
Governments also have similar structure and are incorporated
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:28:16
OK, do you think that completely voluntary governments are
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 15:51:59
What is a voluntary government?(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:54:40
one you can leave if you wish to do so(nm)
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tman
MU
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6/11 16:08:49
and join... or not... your choice. (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:42:17
that is there complaint. you didn't voluntarily
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tman
MU
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6/11 16:51:48
Your parents chose.
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 16:54:24
they didn’t (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/11 17:01:32
Unless your parents were dragged here in chains, or were
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 17:29:22
Their parents did (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 17:22:11
they didn’t (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/11 17:28:15
Their parents did (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 17:31:43
That’s incorrect (nm)
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pickle
MU
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6/11 17:53:06
No, it’s correct.
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 18:04:29
no, it isn’t
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pickle
MU
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6/11 18:22:49
Yeah, I know
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 18:34:29
Both you & your parents were subject to the government,
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 17:30:42
HOA is a signed agreement. US citizenship is imposed.(nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 19:25:42
Imposed how? (nm)
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haeffb
MU
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6/11 19:36:49
(moved)
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 17:19:16
Which is true of an HOA as much as any other government. (nm)
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:59:43
Do you disagree with my assertions that they have land
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 15:46:23
It is private property
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:53:06
Disputes aren't always arbitrated. Some go through the court
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:14:45
so how is that like a corporation?
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Sal
CMSU
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6/11 15:56:06
They are voted on by the residents
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 15:44:09
Yes
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meatiger
MU
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6/11 15:54:03
and if you inherit a home with a HOA?
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 16:09:01
Really stupid analogy. When my parents die, I won’t be
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 16:51:17
Many people move back into their childhood home(nm)
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Spanky
KU
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6/11 18:44:20
That is their choice. Voluntarily. (nm)
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TigerMatt
STL
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6/11 19:22:15
Pretty much the same regarding the city, state, county &
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JeffB
MU
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6/11 16:57:22
Govt is legit only if it doesn't have age of consent laws (nm)
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Columbian Gold
MU
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6/11 15:34:32