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Posted on: February 22, 2024 at 16:25:01 CT
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did not intend to limit offenses only to those in existence in 1789. Congress could, apparently, define new offenses if they arose in customary law."

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"It would be a mistake to infer too much about the framers' and ratifiers' conception of the offenses clause from these historic excerpts. The framers understood that certain acts violated the law of nations; they were aware that the states had failed to deal adequately with those acts as crimes under their common law and that the law of nations was imprecise'-the new nation needed both a way to treat such offenses and uniformity."

https://scholarship.law.vanderbilt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2133&context=vjtl

The context is very clear - congress had the ability to define and punish offenses against the law of nations

Sure, debate and ratification MAY have been about certain offenses of the day, but they intentionally DID NOT limit the clause to those offenses - they wanted congress to have the ability to deal with other well defined defined law of nations issues. And immigration control is and has been a well defined law of nation issue for centuries.
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                    Yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/22 15:27:29
                         plus, as ashtray noted - meatiger MU - 2/22 15:31:07
                              So a point having nothing to do with my question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/22 15:32:48
                                   Actually not at all - meatiger MU - 2/22 15:47:47
                                        I didn't ask if he was playing politics - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/22 15:55:00
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          article 1 section 8 - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 15:36:01
               no - pickle MU - 2/22 15:38:44
                    no it isn't. Law of Nations was a well know, well accepted, - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 15:45:55
                         re-read the sentence for context - pickle MU - 2/22 15:48:31
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                              "The debates and their conclusion indicate that the framers - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 16:25:01
                                   again, i’m not asking you for some legal opinion piece - pickle MU - 2/22 16:30:48
                                        that paper looks into the ratification debates - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 17:01:29
                                             it doesn’t - pickle MU - 2/22 17:17:44
                                                  no, that is covered elsewhere in the constitution - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 22:05:19
                                                       you’re missing the point (nm) - pickle MU - 2/22 23:32:02
                                                            nope, reading as you suggested it is obvious that the law - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/23 00:30:27
                                                                 no, you missed the point - pickle MU - 2/23 06:50:44
                                                                      you know, you sayin so doesn't make it true(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/23 11:53:39
                                                                 I found this summary pretty good: - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/23 00:39:15
                                        I quoted what backs up my claim - now back up yours(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 16:57:47
          RE: read the Constitution (nm) - MUTGR MU - 2/22 15:31:24
               naturalization is not immigration - pickle MU - 2/22 15:35:38
     sounds familiar: - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/22 15:18:35




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