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Posted on: January 17, 2024 at 21:11:58 CT
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suffer horribly and die for us made Him unbelievably special. But no one can deny that Mary's fiat played a big role in salvation history.

As far as being a sinner, remember when the angel Gabriel came to her asking for that critical fiat to become the mother of the Savior?

Keep in mind that the angel Gabriel used the word "Hail" was used for someone of a much higher ranking than oneself, such as a commoner to a king.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hail-mary-conceived-without-sin

Gabriel greeted Mary: "And [the angel Gabriel] came to [Mary] and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God” (Luke 1:28-30).

...The angel actually communicated a new name or title to her... In Greek, the greeting was kaire, kekaritomene, or “hail, full of grace.” Generally speaking, when one greeted another with kaire, a name or title would be found in the immediate context. “Hail, king of the Jews” in John 19:3 and “Claudias Lysias, to his Excellency the governor Felix, greeting” (Acts 23:26) are two biblical examples of this.

The fact that the angel replaces Mary’s name in the greeting with “full of grace” was anything but common...

In Hebrew culture, names and name changes tell us something permanent about the character and calling of the one named. Just recall the name changes of Abram to Abraham (from “father” to “father of the multitudes”) in Genesis 17:5, Saray to Sarah (“my princess” to “princess”) in Genesis 17:15, and Jacob to Israel (“supplanter” to “he who prevails with God”) in Genesis 32:28.

In each case, the names reveal something permanent about the one named. Abraham and Sarah transition from being a “father” and “princess” of one family to being “father” and “princess” or “mother” of the entire people of God (see Rom. 4:1-18; Isa. 51:1-2). They become patriarch and matriarch of God’s people forever. Jacob/Israel becomes the patriarch whose name, “he who prevails with God,” continues forever in the Church, which is called “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16). The people of God will forever “prevail with God” in the image of the patriarch Jacob.

What’s in a name? According to Scripture, quite a lot.

St. Luke uses the perfect passive participle, kekaritomene, as his “name” for Mary. This word literally means “she who has been graced” in a completed sense. This verbal adjective, “graced,” is not just describing a simple past action. Greek has another tense for that. The perfect tense is used to indicate that an action has been completed in the past, resulting in a present state of being. “Full of grace” is Mary’s name. So what does it tell us about Mary? Well, the average Christian is not completed in grace and in a permanent sense (see Phil. 3:8-12). But according to the angel, Mary is. You and I sin, not because of grace, but because of a lack of grace, or a lack of our cooperation with grace, in our lives. This greeting of the angel is one clue into the unique character and calling of the Mother of God. Only Mary is given the name “full of grace,” and in the perfect tense, indicating that this permanent state of Mary was completed...

and of course, as mentioned earlier in this thread, the Early Church Fathers taught that Mary was sinless:

https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-full-of-grace
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     If his economy was so great - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:27:48
          MEH............nm - tigertix MU - 1/17 17:28:55
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               I didn't say Biden was the better alternative (nm) - Sal CMSU - 1/17 17:24:10
                    Biden is not a good alternative - JG MU - 1/17 17:27:41
                         Why? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 1/17 20:14:38
                         LMAO! There it is (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 1/17 17:39:11
                              It’s not any different than saying Trump is not a good - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:51:24
                                   No, that's stupid too. But this is just more laughing at - MIZ45 MU - 1/17 18:12:03
                                   Except mine is just so - JG MU - 1/17 17:57:39
                              Yup. MUH - GODZILLA MU - 1/17 17:40:10
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          Go ahead and lay out Trump's sins, good points & bad, - JeffB MU - 1/17 16:51:01
               Why do they need to be compared to Biden - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:28:56
                    Give us your comparison of the candidate you think has a - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:34:24
                         No thanks - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:39:34
                              So you are in the pickletopian camp of not voting? (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:41:29
                                   I am saying there is not really much difference - meatiger MU - 1/17 21:03:14
                                   I’m in the Jesus camp of not becoming entangled in the way - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:48:09
                                        OK, so you are taking a faith based stand against voting - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:52:23
                                             I’m not opposed to voting because of faith reasons. I am - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:04:53
                                                  You sound rather judgmental. I am not an Evangelical, but - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:12:05
                                                       Voting is a conscience issue. But I will always speak out - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:54:52
                         Why is Trump even winning GOP nominations? (nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:35:32
                              ^ didn't read the OP (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:45:28
                              Allie Beth Stuckey gave you her reasons & I think they were - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:40:19
                                   One small post doesn’t summarize her entire posting - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:46:18
                                        This really isn't an endorsement of her of her X history. - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:48:00
                                             One sided nonsense where she even admits she’s ignoring - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:50:23
                                                  I disagree that she's ignoring Trump's flaws. She says that - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:00:10
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                    Would it have been wrong to support Hitler's opponent if - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:14:48
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                              the OP article didn't cheer Trump, did you read it? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:46:20
                              You still have dodged the crux of the matter. In elections - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:31:11
                                   You are still dodging. Will you vote in the next election? - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:35:52
                                        They are all corrupt. The entire book of Revelation is - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:37:36
                                             RE: They are all corrupt. The entire book of Revelation is - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 17:54:12
                                             Does that mean you will not vote until some non corrupt - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:46:31
                                                  RE: Does that mean you will not vote until some non corrupt - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 18:30:44
                                                       On this issue, however, one candidate may be far superior/ - JeffB MU - 1/17 20:45:05
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                              one aspect of her reasoning was tied to faith (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:47:25
                              It didn't look to me like her arguments were faith based, - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:27:18
                                   Look at her entire posting history. She is unable to - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:34:37
                                        Not sure she was brushing it off, but regardless, we aren't - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:50:10
                                             What she says here doesn’t match what she posted a few month - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:29:18
               RE: Go ahead and lay out Trump's sins, good points & bad, - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 16:57:26
                    Jesus was a human, so was Mary. Neither were sinful. (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/17 16:59:19
                         whoa- Mary was a human thus she was sinful. Jesus was God - largetiger MU - 1/17 17:02:35
                              Pope Pius IX declared otherwise(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/17 17:11:47
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                              Jesus was also fully human. Humans were not created as - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:11:21
                                   Jesus and Mary the new Adam & Eve? Wut? The bride - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:20:58
                                        We know that Eve sinned. It is spelled out quite clearly in - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:04:31
                                             Mary had nothing to do with it. She was a sinner like every - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 20:06:44
                                                  Being God made Jesus special. His willingness to become man, - JeffB MU - 1/17 21:11:58




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