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Jesus was also fully human. Humans were not created as

Posted on: January 17, 2024 at 17:11:21 CT
JeffB MU
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sinful creatures.

Adam and Eve were sinless... until they committed sin. It was not necessary for them to do so, however.

Unfortunately, their sin caused the loss of grace in humanity and made people prone to sin... concupiscence.

Jesus and Mary were the new Adam and the new Eve. They were not born into sin and did not sin. It was through Jesus, with the cooperation of Mary, by her fiat to God, that salvation was brought to humanity.

Hail Mary, Conceived Without Sin
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hail-mary-conceived-without-sin

What the Early Church Believed: Mary’s Immaculate Nature
https://www.catholic.com/tract/mary-full-of-grace
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A lady explains why so many support Trump, at least to - JeffB MU - 1/17 16:45:00
     Nailed it............nm - tigertix MU - 1/17 17:28:07
     If his economy was so great - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:27:48
          MEH............nm - tigertix MU - 1/17 17:28:55
     I have no doubt she sincerely believes her gaslit - JG A - 1/17 17:26:25
          🚨🚨🚨 Irony alert 🚨🚨🚨🚨 (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 1/17 17:29:51
     Trump did have the most conservative agenda - Sal CMSU - 1/17 17:14:40
          Trump plus big pharma warp Speed then gave - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/17 17:23:14
          I never saw him as much of a fiscal conservative & didn't - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:21:52
               I didn't say Biden was the better alternative (nm) - Sal CMSU - 1/17 17:24:10
                    Biden is not a good alternative - JG A - 1/17 17:27:41
                         Why? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 1/17 20:14:38
                         LMAO! There it is (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 1/17 17:39:11
                              It’s not any different than saying Trump is not a good - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:51:24
                                   No, that's stupid too. But this is just more laughing at - MIZ45 MU - 1/17 18:12:03
                                   Except mine is just so - JG A - 1/17 17:57:39
                              Yup. MUH - GODZILLA MU - 1/17 17:40:10
     Evangelical talking points… point out the sins of others, - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 16:49:53
          you are the most ignorant poster by far(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 1/17 21:11:23
          Go ahead and lay out Trump's sins, good points & bad, - JeffB MU - 1/17 16:51:01
               Why do they need to be compared to Biden - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:28:56
                    Give us your comparison of the candidate you think has a - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:34:24
                         No thanks - meatiger MU - 1/17 17:39:34
                              So you are in the pickletopian camp of not voting? (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:41:29
                                   I am saying there is not really much difference - meatiger MU - 1/17 21:03:14
                                   I’m in the Jesus camp of not becoming entangled in the way - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:48:09
                                        OK, so you are taking a faith based stand against voting - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:52:23
                                             I’m not opposed to voting because of faith reasons. I am - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:04:53
                                                  You sound rather judgmental. I am not an Evangelical, but - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:12:05
                                                       Voting is a conscience issue. But I will always speak out - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:54:52
                         Why is Trump even winning GOP nominations? (nm) - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:35:32
                              ^ didn't read the OP (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:45:28
                              Allie Beth Stuckey gave you her reasons & I think they were - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:40:19
                                   One small post doesn’t summarize her entire posting - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:46:18
                                        This really isn't an endorsement of her of her X history. - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:48:00
                                             One sided nonsense where she even admits she’s ignoring - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:50:23
                                                  I disagree that she's ignoring Trump's flaws. She says that - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:00:10
               Supporting your own perceptions of what is less evil - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:08:08
                    Would it have been wrong to support Hitler's opponent if - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:14:48
                         You people are so blind. You cannot wrap your politics up - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:24:19
                              the OP article didn't cheer Trump, did you read it? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:46:20
                              You still have dodged the crux of the matter. In elections - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:31:11
                                   You are still dodging. Will you vote in the next election? - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:35:52
                                        They are all corrupt. The entire book of Revelation is - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:37:36
                                             RE: They are all corrupt. The entire book of Revelation is - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 17:54:12
                                             Does that mean you will not vote until some non corrupt - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:46:31
                                                  RE: Does that mean you will not vote until some non corrupt - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 18:30:44
                                                       On this issue, however, one candidate may be far superior/ - JeffB MU - 1/17 20:45:05
                                                  My vote has been cast for Jesus. I’m not changing that vote - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:54:01
                                   That excuse is lost when it is evangelicals driving Trump’s - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:32:44
                    Is it your contention that one should not vote unless at - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:13:38
                         My point is people like the “lady” in the OP should stop - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:19:24
                              one aspect of her reasoning was tied to faith (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/17 17:47:25
                              It didn't look to me like her arguments were faith based, - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:27:18
                                   Look at her entire posting history. She is unable to - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:34:37
                                        Not sure she was brushing it off, but regardless, we aren't - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:50:10
                                             What she says here doesn’t match what she posted a few month - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 18:29:18
               RE: Go ahead and lay out Trump's sins, good points & bad, - sarasotatiger MU - 1/17 16:57:26
                    Jesus was a human, so was Mary. Neither were sinful. (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/17 16:59:19
                         whoa- Mary was a human thus she was sinful. Jesus was God - largetiger MU - 1/17 17:02:35
                              Pope Pius IX declared otherwise(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 1/17 17:11:47
                                   Lol (nm) - Panthera MU - 1/17 17:21:11
                              Jesus was also fully human. Humans were not created as - JeffB MU - 1/17 17:11:21
                                   Jesus and Mary the new Adam & Eve? Wut? The bride - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 17:20:58
                                        We know that Eve sinned. It is spelled out quite clearly in - JeffB MU - 1/17 18:04:31
                                             Mary had nothing to do with it. She was a sinner like every - TigerMatt MISS - 1/17 20:06:44
                                                  Being God made Jesus special. His willingness to become man, - JeffB MU - 1/17 21:11:58




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