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First of all, I blame Hamas for the war. If your question is

Posted on: October 28, 2023 at 10:48:32 CT
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Whether I blame them for the intentional slaughter of innocents with credible evidence that the innocents were acting as human shields, I would not hold them to account for that particular act.

C'est la guerre.


I try to apply the same rules. Hamas has a long storied history of violence, savagery, using children and women as human shield and indiscriminate slaughter of Jews.

No such history exists for Israel. So I'm very skeptical with a scenario that paints Hamas as, innocent or drawing moral equivalence between Israeli and Hamas actions.

The object of war is to winn. Winning is often defined as killing more of their guys than your guys.

And a casualty of war is innocent lives are lost.

Here's a gruesome, hypothetical: suppose you could win the war, save your country save your family and friends, and vanquish your mortal enemy permanently. It requires only one single simple act; blowing up a kindergarten class with 20 five year-olds in it who have no idea about the war that's raging.

You would save millions of lives by sacrificing 20. It would save trillions of dollars. Can you do it?

it's a hypothetical, so it's mythical.. The question is not whether it's possible or practical the question is whether you could morally win the war that way.

There is a part of me that says there should be no such thing as a war crime or a hate crime. Because all war his criminal and all crimes are hateful.

But there is an awful lot of gray out there.
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If israeli military had weapons/personnel staged in schools - hokie VT - 10/28 08:00:13
     RE: If israeli military had weapons/personnel staged in schools - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 10:58:19
          So… Your answer to the question is, "did Ukraine do that?" - hokie VT - 10/28 11:05:54
               why won’t you answer ummmm’s question? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 11:19:32
     You'll get NO rational answer, especially including - GA Tiger MU - 10/28 10:18:02
          RE: You'll get NO rational answer, especially including - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 10:59:55
          ? - SwampTiger MU - 10/28 10:21:00
               RE: I was referring to pickle.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 10/28 11:26:05
                    i answered the question, dumb**** - pickle MU - 10/28 11:35:13
     it would be none of those things (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 10:07:53
     If a Jew said suck his dick or you're an anti-semite - zoomer 99 - 10/28 09:30:02
          You are busy sucking Palestinian/Hamas dicks - mu7176grad MU - 10/28 09:33:17
               RE: You are busy sucking Palestinian/Hamas dicks - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:01:59
               How many dead babies are there because of you?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/28 10:30:40
               I'll put you down as a "yes" (nm) - zoomer 99 - 10/28 10:17:59
          If? Hokie does that on the reg (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 09:32:39
     It’s simple. Both Hamas and Israel are committing acts of - TigerMatt STL - 10/28 08:56:56
          Yes (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 10:20:00
          What do the Palestinians want? From their perspective… - Outsider MU - 10/28 09:28:05
               RE: What do the Palestinians want? From their perspective… - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:56:32
               In the years leading up to 1948, there was a terrorist - TigerMatt STL - 10/28 10:29:32
                    that's kinda one sided - why did that group get formed - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/28 14:00:18
                         link? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 14:59:49
                              RE: link? (nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/28 15:15:49
                    RE: In the years leading up to 1948, there was a terrorist - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:42:20
                    yep (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 10:31:45
               If every Jew on earth were dead - mu7176grad MU - 10/28 10:14:51
               Stop being opressed by Isreal - ashtray UF - 10/28 09:30:22
                    RE: Stop being opressed by Isreal - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:54:55
                    RE: Stop being opressed by Isreal - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:44:29
                    Ok, so let’s wave the magic wand and give them … - Outsider MU - 10/28 09:50:39
                         Probably Isreal - ashtray UF - 10/28 10:01:47
                              This is where we will disagree. I don’t think the Hamas… - Outsider MU - 10/28 10:11:24
                                   RE: This is where we will disagree. I don’t think the Hamas… - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 11:58:40
                                   Because you're brainwashed by MSM - ashtray UF - 10/28 11:29:10
                                        he’s a boomer (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 11:36:24
                    Its also not what they truly want. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 09:39:36
          Acts of an adjective ??(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/28 09:22:44
          RE: It’s simple. Both Hamas and Israel are committing acts of - MOCO SON MU - 10/28 09:11:13
               Its evil for Israel to defend itself. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 09:17:53
                    RE: Its evil for Israel to defend itself. - sarasotatiger MU - 10/28 12:00:46
                    Israel failed to defend itself when it allowed - glue MU - 10/28 09:26:09
                         “Allegedly?” You serious Clark? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/28 09:52:51
                         Thats twisted. When raped, its the girls fault - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 09:41:46
                              The OP asks about Israeli/Palestinian reaction - glue MU - 10/28 09:57:06
                    Theres only 2 options - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/28 09:23:09
                         Well, Joe is a pedo, so we know who RHAY likes (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 09:31:44
                              The last line of defense for astray stupidity. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 09:44:39
                                   Don't be mad at me for your character flaws (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 11:36:15
                                        You're a sick demented turd. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 12:36:51
                                             Good meltdown, snowflake - ashtray UF - 10/28 12:42:22
                                                  Just the truth. Which u cant face - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/28 14:46:49
                                                       Truth? You have no concept of that - ashtray UF - 10/28 14:48:37
                                   RE: The last line of defense for astray stupidity. - pickle MU - 10/28 10:18:21
               No one here is Hamas.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/28 09:16:29
     Yeah, sure. That sounds like a condemnable act. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/28 08:50:00
          Wow, after all this, an answer to the question. Thank you, - hokie VT - 10/28 08:52:22
               Yes. Same act. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/28 08:53:23
                    We should be careful. This may become a discussion board, - hokie VT - 10/28 08:58:29
                         You sabotage the discussion and then cry about - ashtray UF - 10/28 09:02:19
                         Here's the question to you: - ummmm MU - 10/28 09:01:35
                              It gets to credibility. If there were credible evidence to - hokie VT - 10/28 09:58:56
                                   That didn't answer the question. It was a yes/no question. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/28 10:00:07
                                        You are used to the brief but vague responses from the idiot - hokie VT - 10/28 10:05:47
                                             Okay, so then here's the final question: - ummmm MU - 10/28 10:11:20
                                                  First of all, I blame Hamas for the war. If your question is - hokie VT - 10/28 10:48:32
                                                       you didn’t answer the question. coward (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 10:53:17
     Are you sure that's happening? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:11:30
          Are you sure it's not?(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/28 08:23:34
               He only asks questions. He doesn't answer them. And he asks - hokie VT - 10/28 08:34:08
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/28 10:14:30
                    The question was directed at your OP. It's unfortunate - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:57:49
                         Typical ashtray response. - Tigrrrr! MU - 10/28 09:13:49
                    lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/28 08:43:00
     Hamas was not using the christian church to store weapons - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/28 08:07:54
          Gaza based journalists. Are they the ones who don't - hokie VT - 10/28 08:15:38
               Yes, best to rely on MSM here. (nm) - ummmm MU - 10/28 08:49:12
               Why don't you answer questions? - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:16:53
                    He just said israel was targeting Hamas - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/28 08:18:37
                         I asked a question and you responded with, "what about…" - hokie VT - 10/28 08:27:03
                              So only you can use "what about"? - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:58:55
                              The subject was israel bombing ppl claiming hamas was there - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/28 08:44:26
                                   First of all you don't stand with anyone but yourself. Don't - hokie VT - 10/28 08:50:54
                                        Your “simple” question was 4 paragraphs (nm) - meatiger MU - 10/28 09:06:56
                                             That's a lot of paragraphs for some people. Nm - hokie VT - 10/28 11:04:12
                                        Change the subject and attack (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:59:32
                                        You are the one defending bombing a Christian church.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/28 08:54:33
                                             Do you even care about the truth or are you too stupid to - hokie VT - 10/28 08:56:15
                                                  You want them to keep bombing the churches and hospitals - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/28 08:59:05
                                                       That's absurd. You're either confusing my posts with others' - hokie VT - 10/28 10:01:19
                                                            It is absurd and exactly what you are saying (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/28 11:37:04
                         Because his foundation of his argument is - ashtray UF - 10/28 08:20:47
     Hamas is not going after the Israeli military - meatiger MU - 10/28 08:04:15
          Your post makes no sense. Not that I'm surprised, - hokie VT - 10/28 08:19:44
               Wars are a colossal waste of money - meatiger MU - 10/28 08:29:16




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