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One can also argue against natural rights without govt.

Posted on: November 8, 2021 at 12:23:55 CT
RHAYWORTH MU
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The huge flaw in natural rights, is namely it supposes all humans will play and treat each other equally.

You know, because of "natural rights". When nearly all of recorded history shows that never happens, that people always seek or take advantages, and do not ponder if it's legit to do so, only if they can.

In theory, a north Korean has the same natural rights as a person here. Reality shows a vastly different outcome.

Does one truly have rights, when they aren't respected?

For philosophers, that answer is yes.

For realists, the answer is no.
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If someone believes that an unborn baby is a person with - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:37:32
     Individual rights aren't granted by government. Did you miss - BH O'bonga MU - 11/8 12:22:31
          RE: Individual rights aren't granted by government. Did you miss - MOCO SON MU - 11/8 14:08:10
               civics is a useless class - ashtray UF - 11/8 14:35:42
          goddam none****, suggest you stick to posting articles and - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 12:36:59
          what part of the constitution are you referring to? (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:28:27
               He's referring to the part of the constitution they called - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 12:30:09
                    it’s mind boggling (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:31:02
          No sh*t. Learn to read. Lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:26:09
               he pays less attention than his cult member, hokkkie (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:31:17
     Thinking rights come from govt is the foundation for - ummmm MU - 11/8 11:42:37
          One can also argue against natural rights without govt. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/8 12:23:55
               How people play and treat each other - meatiger MU - 11/8 12:39:05
               goddam rhay, suggest you stick lying about posters (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 12:35:32
               RE: One can also argue against natural rights without govt. - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:31:05
                    Infringements? Your crew rarely has a coherent answer. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/8 12:43:00
                         no one has ever suggested “natural rights courts” (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 13:03:33
                         infringements are handled all the time - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:48:09
                              he takes the same pseudointellectual position as DH - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 12:54:09
                                   and coincidentally, both posters are idiots (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 13:00:53
                         it's the same thing others have said (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 12:47:30
                         RE: Infringements? Your crew rarely has a coherent answer. - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:47:22
               no, that's your supposition - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:30:26
               no, you are ignorant - pickle MU - 11/8 12:29:22
               It doesn't make that assumption at all(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:28:08
          Sure. If they govern with the consent of the people why not? - hokie VT - 11/8 11:45:02
               No one governs with the consent of the people - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/8 12:16:59
                    If people decide not to participate - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 12:37:24
                         no such right exists - pickle MU - 11/8 13:05:58
                         you don't have a right to be heard, idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:49:26
               Is Joe Biden governing with the consent of the people?(nm) - ummmm MU - 11/8 11:45:44
                    He is violating the constituion and his power and - hokie VT - 11/8 11:48:16
                         That's not my answer. - ummmm MU - 11/8 11:51:55
                         The constitution that you believe is based on the whim of - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:49:41
                              Where do natural rights come from and does everyone - hokie VT - 11/8 11:51:38
                                   Nature. And no. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/8 11:52:20
                                        Vague, non specific jibberish. If you don't want to answer - hokie VT - 11/8 11:56:10
                                             that word doesn’t mean what you think it means - pickle MU - 11/8 12:13:47
                                             I directly answered both of your questions. - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:00:54
                                                  There is nothing more to add? Really? The entire debate is - hokie VT - 11/8 12:06:18
                                                       it isn't ummmm's job to educate you - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:20:45
                                                       for the 1000th time, rights are not enforced (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:18:30
                                                       Just curious, which response do you like better here: - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:14:37
                                                            You answer like a lawyer. That is not a compliment. nm - hokie VT - 11/8 12:15:51
                                                                 Scenario 1 or Scenario 2? (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:16:14
                                                                      This is a discussion board, not a quiz. And number two is - hokie VT - 11/8 12:17:06
                                                                           Scenario 2 is the lawyer response, by the way. - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:21:45
                                                       There is nothing more to add to answer your questions. - ummmm MU - 11/8 12:12:01
                                             Are you describing your posts again?(nm) - dangertim BSU - 11/8 11:57:26
                                                  Good one timmy. You may go now. nm - hokie VT - 11/8 11:58:02
          And this is what hamstrings Cookie everytime(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:43:23
               You still refuse to explain natural rights and where they - hokie VT - 11/8 11:46:16
                    * beliefs (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 11:48:24
                         RE: * beliefs (nm) - dangertim BSU - 11/8 11:53:12
                         Fixed it, thanx. nm - hokie VT - 11/8 11:50:21
     He also believes that a branch of the government is - dangertim BSU - 11/8 11:40:52
     True, in the legal sense. But what about in your perfect - hokie VT - 11/8 11:39:33
          No, in your sense abortion is ok and a right since - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:42:19
               I agreed with you ass hole. And then i asked you about - hokie VT - 11/8 11:43:47
                    😂🍪 - Panthera MU - 11/8 11:49:07
                    No you didn't. You are dumber than sh*t(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:46:23
                         Where do natural rights come from and does everyone - hokie VT - 11/8 11:49:29
                              Natural rights come from mere existence. I think, - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:52:14
                                   How does that work exactly? Does everyone agree with - hokie VT - 11/8 11:57:18
                                        IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ONE AGREES OR NOT. JFC(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:02:14
                                             It doesn't matter if someone murders or rapes or robs? What - hokie VT - 11/8 12:09:45
                                                  JFC how stupid(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:29:06
                                                  jesus ****ing christ (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:27:06
                                                  Infringing on a right is infringing on a right. - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 12:12:02
                                                       So if someone murders your family, you will be satisfied to - hokie VT - 11/8 12:14:26
                                                            Where did I say that? - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 12:18:05
                                                                 He's that dumb(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:27:22
                                                                 in hokkkie's case, he's really that dumb (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:25:09
                                             RE: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ONE AGREES OR NOT. JFC(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 11/8 12:03:33
                                        Are you really this dumb? - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 11:59:40
                                             And if they infringe, what happens? Who decides? nm - hokie VT - 11/8 12:10:49
               It most certainly isn't OK - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 11:43:41
                    Something many here just simply can't grasp (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 11:57:32
                    But, according to Cookie government is the granter of rights - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:45:34
                         Where do natural rights come from and does everyone - hokie VT - 11/8 11:51:06
                              God and it doesn't matter if anyone disagrees.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/8 12:16:48
                                   You are absolutely correct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 12:36:35
                              RE: Where do natural rights come from and does everyone - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:53:10
          He already answered that.(nm) - dangertim BSU - 11/8 11:41:52
     People who believe government grants rights are misguided - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 11:39:31
          no, rights come from your Creator - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:26:44
          We will disagree on this. IMO, the founders interpreted - hokie VT - 11/8 11:40:47
               the founders didn't invent natural rights, idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:27:12
               no (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:08:31
               They state clearly people are endowed by their Creator - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 11:45:35
                    How do they know what the creator wanted and are - hokie VT - 11/8 11:55:12
                         if you could read, I'd suggest John Locke - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:28:08
                         And you wonder why you get so many one word - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 12:01:01
                         From Scripture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 11:58:26
                              lol... no, idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:28:44
                              No, not from scripture. - kmawv8 MU - 11/8 12:04:56
                                   It it is now fifty states - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 12:30:58
                                        Uh, hawaii, guam, puerto rico, the phillipines, etc - pickle MU - 11/8 12:33:06
                                             asking 4Taliban if he's ignorant is like asking hokkie if - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:33:51
                                                  the US ****ing colonized places - pickle MU - 11/8 12:39:30
                                                       sometimes it's hard to discern between his ignorance and - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:50:17
                                        lol... no, idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:31:45
                              I am not in disagreement with much of anything in the - hokie VT - 11/8 12:02:27
                                   no (nm) - pickle MU - 11/8 12:33:52
                                   No one granted the rights - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 12:31:39
                                   it has nothing to do with religion, pile of crap (nm) - ashtray UF - 11/8 12:29:30
                                   Therefore you believe that it is ok to kill unborn babies(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 12:04:11
                                        Not saying that at all, stupid. I'm saying that the law - hokie VT - 11/8 12:12:13
                                             The flaw with your view of rights is that if you believe - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/8 12:39:47
                                             That is exactly what you are saying. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/8 12:14:44
               No(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:43:48
          Tell cookie that(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 11/8 11:40:46




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