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No one claimed the system is perfect, and there have been

Posted on: March 22, 2021 at 14:09:37 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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arguments made against the death penalty that imperfections in the system speak against the availability of the death penalty. But I think we are going into a purely emotional area if we say we refuse to look at and correct possible mistakes made in the court simply because we don't like the possible ramifications if we fix it.
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The government shouldn't be able to appeal to get - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:14:50
     And why not? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:11:19
     Death penalty is an abomination - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 3/22 14:09:58
          The main reason is that SOME of them are not guilty. - GA Tiger MU - 3/22 18:19:12
          Absolutely (nm) - mizzoumurfkc KC - 3/22 14:32:59
          agree 100% - Spanky KU - 3/22 14:15:06
     eliminate the fed death penalty - SwampTiger MU - 3/22 13:35:07
          Agreed...not a deterrent to crime and is way to - Bucky Larson MU - 3/22 14:07:50
     Why? Double jeopardy only applies to convictions. If there - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:28:42
          Once a death sentence is vacated by any court then that - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:42:32
               Why? What if that court made mistakes in their ruling? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:46:26
                    Because correcting the "errors" could lead to a human life - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:49:57
                         But if that should have been the correct ruling in the first - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:53:53
                              The problem is that it kills someone. (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:09:07
                                   Someone that should have rightfully been killed if the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:11:32
                                        "rightfully killed" is an oxymoron and evil(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/22 14:36:24
                                        My problem is with the death penalty, and with the appeal. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:14:25
                                             Then work to get it changed. Currently that is the law of - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:17:51
                                                  I am. I'm trying to convince more and more people that - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:20:53
                                                       No, if the OP we're about opposing the death penalty they - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:24:18
                                                            I'm pretty sure the reason hefeweizen is against the appeal - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:30:15
                                                                 Possibly, but that is not what he originally stated. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:33:06
                                                                      maybe you’re just that stupid - pickle MU - 3/22 14:38:06
                                                                      You didn't even read his post clearly enough to understand - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:35:04
                                        That's a f*cked up thing to type. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:13:32
                                        not rightfully - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:13:00
                                             Laws, you know from that government you wish to - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:16:12
                                                  how does governemnt have rights that you or I don't? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:19:15
                                                       This is a discussion of reality, not your dreams. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:22:45
                                                            they don't have that right, and that's reality - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:28:56
                                                                 No, you don't BELIEVE they have the right. Your beliefs - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:30:42
                                                                      no, it’s a fact, not a belief (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:38:35
                                                                      incorrect again - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:34:56
                                                                           If it were a fact then the death penalty would not be legal. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:36:24
                                                                                you have the worst logic of anyone on TB (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:39:04
                                                                                so rights come from laws in your book? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:38:04
                              it is never the correct ruling - MizzouAstro MU - 3/22 13:58:49
                                   No that is an opinion. As someone said below if you - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:01:47
                                        The same reason double jeopardy is wrong but I bet you'd - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:03:56
                                             You really struggle with simple logic. I never once said I - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:14:07
                                                  When it comes to death sentences errors should always - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:17:49
                                                       In your opinion. I feel correctable errors, either way, - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:19:22
                                                            Then you are in favor of double jeopardy because clearly the - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:21:03
                                                                 When you defend the system at all cost - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:29:40
                                                                 Wow, how amazingly stupid you are. I specifically stated - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:29:35
                                                                      wut? - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:32:04
                                                                           it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:35:23
                                                                           Do you understand the word correctable? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:35:10
                                                                                So the answer is hypocritical. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:37:11
                                                            so throw out double jeapordy laws? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:20:17
                                        And this is the only logical position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:03:02
                                   Then address the issue of doing away with the death - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:59:52
                    Because it is wrong and gives the prosecution another bite a - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:49:53
                         Did the prosecution make the mistake or are they appealing - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:55:52
                              It shouldn't matter. Appeals post conviction should be - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:58:51
                                   Why? I would agree if the prosecution made a mistake. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:03:51
                                        Lol. It's the same reason double jeopardy isn't allowed. - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:06:32
                                             Why would I think that? If someone is aquitted they had - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:09:38
                                                  Your only defense of this is that it is currently allowed. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:11:48
                              You're the only person talking about double jeopardy.(nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:57:30
                                   Because no one else has given an actual reason not to allow - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:59:59
                                        why are you lying? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:24:58
               Interesting view - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:45:05
                    ^^^ Cares about all human life ^^^ (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:52:13
                         I do care about human life - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:55:16
                              no you don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:25:39
                              No, it's not. And you can't claim to care about all human - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:56:31
                                   Sure you can - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:57:51
                                        Whatever allows you to sleep at night. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:00:03
                                             You are fine to feel the state shouldn't be able to do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:02:15
                                                  It makes perfect reasonable sense. When a mistake of that - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:08:45
                    By that rationale, if a judge gives a life w/o sentence then - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:47:53
                         If mistakes were made, or it is believed mistakes were made - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:49:56
                              But mistakes here aren't like mistakes in the production of - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:51:12
                                   That is an emotional position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:54:07
                                        I could see how it comes across as emotional, but truly it - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:06:24
                                             No one claimed the system is perfect, and there have been - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:09:37
                                                  here is an example you asked for earlier (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:27:43
                                                  I would just retype my last post in response to this one. (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:16:09
                                                       And as you typed well above, your position is based in your - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:18:36
                                                            My opposition is to the death penalty and to the process. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:22:09
                                                                 And that is a valid position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:30:20
                                        What happens if they make a mistake the other way? - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:58:29
                                             You should always be able to fix errors if they are able to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:01:03
                                                  If a murderer is wrongfully convicted they should be - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:06:40
                                                  Once the Supreme Court rules, there are no other ways - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:05:06
                                                       No, that court exhausts the legal process - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:07:28
                                                            And I'm saying once a death sentence is overturned that - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:08:39
                                                                 If mistakes were made, why is that the case? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:12:21
                                                            So, your previous sentiment about always being able to fix - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:08:29
                                                                 There are not endless appeals within our system - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:13:35
                                                                      Why shouldn't there be endless appeals? - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:17:25
                                                                      Don't you want a system that fixes all errors that - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:14:57
                                                                           No - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:17:03
                                                                 He'll defend the system at all costs - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:09:59
                                                                      I do indeed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:14:44
                                                                           That's not the same thing and you know it. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:17:26
                                                                                I want to fix them within the system that is in place - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:19:50
          He's saying the government *shouldn't* be able to.(nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:38:44
               And I asked why they shouldn't?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:47:29
                    No, you literally used the word "couldn't" (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:49:27
                         And in that case those two words are synonymous. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:52:06
                              LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:22:03
                              No, they are not synonyms at all. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:07:17
                              LOL - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:53:44
                                   standard (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/22 13:54:20
                                   He's a teacher of children (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:54:19
                              lol, no. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:52:43
     he and his brother were FBI and CIA assets - pickle MU - 3/22 13:17:10




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