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Posted on: March 22, 2021 at 13:57:51 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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Murder is about taking innocent life. I am trending against the death penalty, but not because I don't believe the state has a right to do it. But that isn't even the issue in this discussion above.

Edited by 4TigersinMichigan at 13:58:18 on 03/22/21
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The government shouldn't be able to appeal to get - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:14:50
     And why not? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:11:19
     Death penalty is an abomination - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 3/22 14:09:58
          The main reason is that SOME of them are not guilty. - GA Tiger MU - 3/22 18:19:12
          Absolutely (nm) - mizzoumurfkc KC - 3/22 14:32:59
          agree 100% - Spanky KU - 3/22 14:15:06
     eliminate the fed death penalty - SwampTiger MU - 3/22 13:35:07
          Agreed...not a deterrent to crime and is way to - Bucky Larson MU - 3/22 14:07:50
     Why? Double jeopardy only applies to convictions. If there - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:28:42
          Once a death sentence is vacated by any court then that - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:42:32
               Why? What if that court made mistakes in their ruling? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:46:26
                    Because correcting the "errors" could lead to a human life - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:49:57
                         But if that should have been the correct ruling in the first - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:53:53
                              The problem is that it kills someone. (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:09:07
                                   Someone that should have rightfully been killed if the - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:11:32
                                        "rightfully killed" is an oxymoron and evil(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 3/22 14:36:24
                                        My problem is with the death penalty, and with the appeal. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:14:25
                                             Then work to get it changed. Currently that is the law of - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:17:51
                                                  I am. I'm trying to convince more and more people that - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:20:53
                                                       No, if the OP we're about opposing the death penalty they - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:24:18
                                                            I'm pretty sure the reason hefeweizen is against the appeal - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:30:15
                                                                 Possibly, but that is not what he originally stated. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:33:06
                                                                      maybe you’re just that stupid - pickle MU - 3/22 14:38:06
                                                                      You didn't even read his post clearly enough to understand - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:35:04
                                        That's a f*cked up thing to type. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:13:32
                                        not rightfully - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:13:00
                                             Laws, you know from that government you wish to - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:16:12
                                                  how does governemnt have rights that you or I don't? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:19:15
                                                       This is a discussion of reality, not your dreams. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:22:45
                                                            they don't have that right, and that's reality - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:28:56
                                                                 No, you don't BELIEVE they have the right. Your beliefs - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:30:42
                                                                      no, it’s a fact, not a belief (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:38:35
                                                                      incorrect again - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:34:56
                                                                           If it were a fact then the death penalty would not be legal. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:36:24
                                                                                you have the worst logic of anyone on TB (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:39:04
                                                                                so rights come from laws in your book? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:38:04
                              it is never the correct ruling - MizzouAstro MU - 3/22 13:58:49
                                   No that is an opinion. As someone said below if you - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:01:47
                                        The same reason double jeopardy is wrong but I bet you'd - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:03:56
                                             You really struggle with simple logic. I never once said I - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:14:07
                                                  When it comes to death sentences errors should always - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:17:49
                                                       In your opinion. I feel correctable errors, either way, - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:19:22
                                                            Then you are in favor of double jeopardy because clearly the - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:21:03
                                                                 When you defend the system at all cost - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:29:40
                                                                 Wow, how amazingly stupid you are. I specifically stated - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:29:35
                                                                      wut? - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:32:04
                                                                           it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:35:23
                                                                           Do you understand the word correctable? - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:35:10
                                                                                So the answer is hypocritical. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:37:11
                                                            so throw out double jeapordy laws? - ashtray UF - 3/22 14:20:17
                                        And this is the only logical position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:03:02
                                   Then address the issue of doing away with the death - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:59:52
                    Because it is wrong and gives the prosecution another bite a - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:49:53
                         Did the prosecution make the mistake or are they appealing - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:55:52
                              It shouldn't matter. Appeals post conviction should be - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:58:51
                                   Why? I would agree if the prosecution made a mistake. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:03:51
                                        Lol. It's the same reason double jeopardy isn't allowed. - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:06:32
                                             Why would I think that? If someone is aquitted they had - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:09:38
                                                  Your only defense of this is that it is currently allowed. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:11:48
                              You're the only person talking about double jeopardy.(nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:57:30
                                   Because no one else has given an actual reason not to allow - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:59:59
                                        why are you lying? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:24:58
               Interesting view - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:45:05
                    ^^^ Cares about all human life ^^^ (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:52:13
                         I do care about human life - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:55:16
                              no you don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:25:39
                              No, it's not. And you can't claim to care about all human - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:56:31
                                   Sure you can - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:57:51
                                        Whatever allows you to sleep at night. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:00:03
                                             You are fine to feel the state shouldn't be able to do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:02:15
                                                  It makes perfect reasonable sense. When a mistake of that - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:08:45
                    By that rationale, if a judge gives a life w/o sentence then - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:47:53
                         If mistakes were made, or it is believed mistakes were made - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:49:56
                              But mistakes here aren't like mistakes in the production of - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:51:12
                                   That is an emotional position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 13:54:07
                                        I could see how it comes across as emotional, but truly it - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:06:24
                                             No one claimed the system is perfect, and there have been - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:09:37
                                                  here is an example you asked for earlier (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:27:43
                                                  I would just retype my last post in response to this one. (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:16:09
                                                       And as you typed well above, your position is based in your - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:18:36
                                                            My opposition is to the death penalty and to the process. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:22:09
                                                                 And that is a valid position - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:30:20
                                        What happens if they make a mistake the other way? - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:58:29
                                             You should always be able to fix errors if they are able to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:01:03
                                                  If a murderer is wrongfully convicted they should be - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 14:06:40
                                                  Once the Supreme Court rules, there are no other ways - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:05:06
                                                       No, that court exhausts the legal process - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:07:28
                                                            And I'm saying once a death sentence is overturned that - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 14:08:39
                                                                 If mistakes were made, why is that the case? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:12:21
                                                            So, your previous sentiment about always being able to fix - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:08:29
                                                                 There are not endless appeals within our system - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:13:35
                                                                      Why shouldn't there be endless appeals? - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:17:25
                                                                      Don't you want a system that fixes all errors that - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:14:57
                                                                           No - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:17:03
                                                                 He'll defend the system at all costs - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:09:59
                                                                      I do indeed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:14:44
                                                                           That's not the same thing and you know it. - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 14:17:26
                                                                                I want to fix them within the system that is in place - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/22 14:19:50
          He's saying the government *shouldn't* be able to.(nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:38:44
               And I asked why they shouldn't?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:47:29
                    No, you literally used the word "couldn't" (nm) - ummmm MU - 3/22 13:49:27
                         And in that case those two words are synonymous. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/22 13:52:06
                              LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU - 3/22 14:22:03
                              No, they are not synonyms at all. - ummmm MU - 3/22 14:07:17
                              LOL - kmawv8 MU - 3/22 13:53:44
                                   standard (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/22 13:54:20
                                   He's a teacher of children (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:54:19
                              lol, no. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 3/22 13:52:43
     he and his brother were FBI and CIA assets - pickle MU - 3/22 13:17:10




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