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Via observation one can tell Cuonzo isn't a good coach

Posted on: March 8, 2021 at 11:08:56 CT
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Wins/losses don’t measure coaching. They measure success (or lack thereof), which is the result of a formula of which coaching is an input. Along with lots of other factors like roster talent, fan support, resource support, player execution, opponent strength, officiating, etc. All of those things together yield results which are measured in wins and losses or tourney results, etc.

All things being equal coaching can absolutely drive results, its probably the most important single factor. But all things are never equal, all of those other factors always differ greatly between different programs and even different time periods.

Coaching is measured by being able to establish an identity or having a distinct style, adapting to suit your resources, having a sum greater than its parts, level of execution, player development, game planning, dead ball situations, player effort, attention to detail and focus towards the finer points of basketball, certain statistical metrics, etc. You can’t tell if someone is a good coach because they made the sweet sixteen or by looking at their won/loss record. That only tells you if they were successful, which isn’t the same thing.
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     Cuonzo had 9 year of experience before Mizzou.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 3/8 11:21:05
          Wright had 7 before Villanova - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 11:39:14
               where he consistently built Hofstra into a good program. - SuperTone MU - 3/8 11:50:21
                    Wright’s win percentage at the time of his Villanova - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 11:54:43
                         How many NCAA Tourney wins did Jay have by yr 13? - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:13:09
                              Why do that type comparison - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:28:29
                                   because you're comparing CM to HOF coaches - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:35:12
                                        Sure that could be what Cuonzo ends up as a coach - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:38:49
                                             But you didn't compare him to Al Skinner or Tim Miles - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:39:37
                                                  Did they successfully rebuild P6 schools? - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:43:02
                                                       Keep moving those goalposts - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:47:39
                                                            Never moved them. - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:51:10
                                   No he didn't. Building something trumps building nothing - SuperTone MU - 3/8 12:32:45
                                        The biggest difference is that it took Wright - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:35:38
                                             LOL Wanna compare their records at P5 only or no?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:38:55
                                                  At what point in their careers? - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:46:41
                                                       Why not compare CM to early Al Skinner or Tim Miles? - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:49:01
               Lil phrejd will be unable to interpret what this means. - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:44:47
                    I have done these comparisons before - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 11:50:55
                         Take every CBB coach who has been to a Final 4 - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:20:52
                              Most haven’t moved around the way Cuonzo has - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:23:54
                                   Hard to hit a moving target. - Lakers_Ball UK - 3/9 11:17:40
                                   So you pick HOF coaches and only look at their earliest yrs - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:38:19
                                        I see you are struggling with the comparison - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:39:44
                                             Not struggling at all. CM is Al Skinner, Tim Miles or - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:40:48
                                                  That’s not even the comparison - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:47:39
                                                       Sure it is. Look at what Tim took over at Nebraska. - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:50:27
                                                            They also weren’t successful in those jobs - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 12:52:34
                                                                 Tim Miles and Al Skinner were successful at those rebuilds - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:55:44
                                                                      O’Brien went 22-9 at BC his last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 3/8 13:07:32
                                                                           O'Brien left him 0 Top 100 players and his recent - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 16:31:50
          Your point? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:25:57
               he has been incredibly consistent everywhere.... - SuperTone MU - 3/8 11:27:56
                    He like Rick Barnes early in his career has moved jobs - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:29:50
                         Wright built a program. CM never has.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 3/8 11:50:52
                         now you're comparing him to rick barnes? lol this is great (nm) - phrejd MU - 3/8 11:35:58
                              2 NCAAs in 4 years is.........Great! Your inability to - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:42:34
                                   this meltdown of yours, how long do you think it will last? - phrejd MU - 3/8 11:46:35
                                        Probably until you lose your emotional immaturity. When? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:47:39
                                             lol. ok i'll just continue to sit back and watch then (nm) - phrejd MU - 3/8 11:53:00
                                                  Then I will know that you are maturing. It's a process GLuck - Sigma MU - 3/8 12:00:15
     Via observation one can tell Cuonzo isn't a good coach - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:08:56
          I don't know if you'd call it a front-runner or what - Tptiger MU - 3/8 11:45:39
          my God you are wordy with your posts(nm) - TigerA MU - 3/8 11:11:19
               I've just written about basically every topic previously - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:13:05
          Weren't you emphatic about Underwood failing at Illinois? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:10:50
               Yes, I think he is a bad fit for that program (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:11:57
                    As they are in contention for a #1 seed. Let's hope you - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:13:45
                         Haith was a #2 seed and NCOY at MU - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:17:57
                              RE: Haith was a #2 seed and NCOY at MU - bmtaylo1 UGA - 3/11 18:15:31
                              Good luck with that guess. We're about to fill out our class - DrDog UI - 3/8 16:14:55
                              LOL! Haith inherited players, while Underwood recruited - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:20:55
                                   RE: LOL! Haith inherited players, while Underwood recruited - bmtaylo1 UGA - 3/11 18:42:05
                                   Every coach inherits players (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:21:57
                                        Are you sticking with Underwood will fail at Illinois? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:26:34
                                             Yes, I've indicated that countless times - FIJItiger MU - 3/8 11:29:05
                                                  RE: Yes, I've indicated that countless times - bmtaylo1 UGA - 3/11 18:49:49
     your schtick is getting old(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 10:50:17
          Facts never get old..unless you believe in alternatives. - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:51:27
               it's your delusional conclusions that are predictable - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 10:54:03
                    Your inability to accept facts & extrapolating from faulty - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:56:05
                         because Jay Wright went to 2 NITs in 1sst 3 years at Nove - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 10:57:25
                              If folks at NOVA listen to guys like you Jay greatness would - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:00:44
                                   CM will be Jay or Coach K any yr now! - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 11:16:16
                                        2 NCAAs in 4 years. What are your expectations? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:22:13
                                             well apparently CM is going to be Coach K! - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:02:09
                                                  CM is going to be Norm.How many FF does he need ? - Sigma MU - 3/8 12:04:55
                                                       Nope. You set Jay Wright and Coach K as the marks - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:13:52
                                                            Now you want better than Norm...Great! - Sigma MU - 3/8 12:38:57
                                                                 it was your analogy(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:39:58
                                             LOL.Are you sticking w/ Underwood will fail at Illinois? - Sigma MU - 3/8 11:23:41
                                                  wtf are you talking about?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 12:02:31
     Situationally you can make that statement - Eggs MU - 3/8 10:46:59
          Agree, but point is that folks are disappointed w/ an NCAA - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:50:52
               It's a fair point. I'm mostly disappointed with a few - Eggs MU - 3/8 11:29:09
          Coach K is next(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 3/8 10:50:33
               Comparing Norm's FFs to Wooden, Knight,Dean..etc - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:53:40
          Comparing 1st few years & how 2 NCAAs in 4 years is - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:47:41
     I bet those nova teams got better looks at the basket - Baxter Forrest Twilight MU - 3/8 10:43:01
          That's a lost art in the game today. - Sigma MU - 3/8 10:49:08




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